Northern Ireland
Discussion
Jimboka said:
Glad he has sorted that out then...
The Scots can also use this technology, which shoots down a Westminster argument.
Only if rUK agrees to let them The Scots can also use this technology, which shoots down a Westminster argument.
pim said:
Lets' be honest there is no love lost between the Scots and English.
If the Scots think that this Brexit deal is going to cost them money they will be out properly this time.Ochy de nu.
Personally I still have faith in the silent majority. But if they want to go, fair enough. They'll be crippling themselves, but fair enough.If the Scots think that this Brexit deal is going to cost them money they will be out properly this time.Ochy de nu.
Anyway....isn't there another thread for the jocks?
Eric Mc said:
You cannot ignore the wishes of the people who live in Northern Ireland either. Since 1921 they have wanted to remain part of the UK - and, for the moment, Britain has to abide by those wishes.
Fortunately, the UK will be going away shortly. With luck, the end of the UK will also solve Scotland's sectarian/Orange issues.
majordad said:
All during the trouble years we in motorsport raced and rallied with our NI rivals and competitors and watched out for each others welfare on events in both jurisdictions. In Rallying and Racing there is no border. Likewise in Rugby we stand together.
The same with the Irish motorcycle racing scene which has always transcended the political/religious divide, several times I've heard the response of "your bigotry isn't welcome here" to some muppet (usually a journo) making an inappropriate remark to provoke someone into making a comment he can record.Looks like there may be another election in NI.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
Eric Mc said:
How about the Celtic Union - and leave out the English (apart from those who can trace their ancestry to pre Roman times).
That would, of course, be the majority.The idea that waves of immigrants came from the continent and the indigenous population moved west is not so much fantasy as lazy teaching. It was in all the stock school books in my time but has since been proved nonsense.
There were few Romans in this country and although there were a few more Anglo Saxons, there weren't that many. The Vikings swarmed in of course, but there were larger percentages in Scotland, with certain areas of the country having the vast majority of the population being of Viking stock. Ireland was targeted by them. England was divided by them, but even so the majority of the population, even in the Danish area, remained the same. It was those in charge rather than mass migration. As with Scotland, there are areas of the UK where there is a preponderance of Scandinavians, but the overall percentage in England is small. The Normans were just a group of thugs who came with a smallish army and took over the country by force.
The majority of the population in England remained as original, post Ice Age immigrants.
The population supposedly chose the Anglo Saxon way of life, but the evidence of this is sparse. It is, in effect, a label of convenience.
Celt is not a race but a choice, rather like Rachael (name escapes) in the Racial Fluidity thread.
There was an English village where a lot of the population underwent anonymous DNA sampling and it was discovered that n% had genes that went back to the earliest times.
Derek Smith said:
That would, of course, be the majority.
Only if you exclude England - wh8ich seems to be on a path of self exclusion anyway.I am actually not talking about the historical evidence for what is or isn't a Celt. That is pretty much irrelevant. What does matter is how people feel about themselves today. If a person FEELS Irish - they are Irish. If they FEEL Scottish - they are Scottish. If they FEEL English - they are English - irrespective as to whose genes they may possess.
Eric Mc said:
Only if you exclude England - wh8ich seems to be on a path of self exclusion anyway.
I am actually not talking about the historical evidence for what is or isn't a Celt. That is pretty much irrelevant. What does matter is how people feel about themselves today. If a person FEELS Irish - they are Irish. If they FEEL Scottish - they are Scottish. If they FEEL English - they are English - irrespective as to whose genes they may possess.
The majority of people in England could, given accurate records, trace their ancestry back to pre-Roman time. It is simple enough mathematics. Celt is a lifestyle, not a race or inheritance. When the Anglo Saxons came over the attractions of the lifestyle, for whatever reason, changed that of much, but by no means all, and probably not the majority, of the English. The Welsh were more tribal and therefore resistant to such change. I am actually not talking about the historical evidence for what is or isn't a Celt. That is pretty much irrelevant. What does matter is how people feel about themselves today. If a person FEELS Irish - they are Irish. If they FEEL Scottish - they are Scottish. If they FEEL English - they are English - irrespective as to whose genes they may possess.
The Scots, though, changed fundamentally during the invasion of the Vikings, at least for a substantial area.
I'm with you with regards to ones culture being a mindset. Being at least half Irish I would, I assume, have felt Irish had I been born in co Cork. I'm not sure I feel 'English' though. My upbringing was to be British. I certainly feel British.
I always think "British" was a catch-all definition invented by the English to cover EVERYBODY on the islands - even if not everybody on the islands was 100% in agreement with the concept.
The problem was, the English tended to think that THEIR version of being British was the best and only way.
The problem was, the English tended to think that THEIR version of being British was the best and only way.
No surprise.
DUP don't want a deal cos that'll make it easier for them to funell their tory billion into their own constituencies rather than send some of it west of the Bann.
Shinners as usual are playing the long game, happy to point the finger at the nasty DUPTories for causing the trouble.
DUP don't want a deal cos that'll make it easier for them to funell their tory billion into their own constituencies rather than send some of it west of the Bann.
Shinners as usual are playing the long game, happy to point the finger at the nasty DUPTories for causing the trouble.
BlackLabel said:
Still no devolved government in NI. Which begs the question does anyone living there actually miss it, does the existence of a devolved executive in NI make a significant difference to people's daily lives?
Nope, I think brokenshire should nip in quickly and sign off on all the stuff that the dup don't agree with like gay marriage and abortion. Everyone's a winner.ooo000ooo said:
BlackLabel said:
Still no devolved government in NI. Which begs the question does anyone living there actually miss it, does the existence of a devolved executive in NI make a significant difference to people's daily lives?
Nope, I think brokenshire should nip in quickly and sign off on all the stuff that the dup don't agree with like gay marriage and abortion. Everyone's a winner.ooo000ooo said:
stupidbutkeen said:
So your saying that the torys should sign off all the stuff the DUP dont want, The very same torys who rely on the DUP to get stuff through the commons?
Sure, why not. I'm sure sinn Fein could encourage enough labour MPs to back the motions just to piss them off.The uk gov should p
s off a brexit party who's votes they need in the commonsOn the off chance a remainer party who dont even take the seats they win in the commons can convince enough members of other partys to vote with the gov.
Oh so you want the peace process to totaly fail then.
I donno myself but that sort of sounds like a long shot.
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