Northern Ireland
Discussion
stupidbutkeen said:
ooo000ooo said:
stupidbutkeen said:
So your saying that the torys should sign off all the stuff the DUP dont want, The very same torys who rely on the DUP to get stuff through the commons?
Sure, why not. I'm sure sinn Fein could encourage enough labour MPs to back the motions just to piss them off.The uk gov should p
s off a brexit party who's votes they need in the commonsOn the off chance a remainer party who dont even take the seats they win in the commons can convince enough members of other partys to vote with the gov.
Oh so you want the peace process to totaly fail then.
I donno myself but that sort of sounds like a long shot.
stupidbutkeen said:
Ok so your thinking
The uk gov should ps off a brexit party who's votes they need in the commons
On the off chance a remainer party who dont even take the seats they win in the commons can convince enough members of other partys to vote with the gov.
Oh so you want the peace process to totaly fail then.
I donno myself but that sort of sounds like a long shot.
Maybe the threat of it would be enough to force a bit of action? Its all a big game of chess and the DUP are rubbish at it.The uk gov should p
s off a brexit party who's votes they need in the commonsOn the off chance a remainer party who dont even take the seats they win in the commons can convince enough members of other partys to vote with the gov.
Oh so you want the peace process to totaly fail then.
I donno myself but that sort of sounds like a long shot.
It appears Bill is now having a go at ending the Stormont stalemate.
Meanwhile I thought this was interesting. I didn’t realise that Northern Ireland residents could apply for Irish citizenship.
bbc said:
The prime minister has discussed the current political impasse in Northern Ireland with former US president Bill Clinton.
Speaking after their Downing Street talks, Mr Clinton said he and Theresa May had a good meeting.
The former president met DUP and Sinn Féin politicians in Belfast on Tuesday.
The two parties have been holding talks in a bid to end nine months of political deadlock at Stormont.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-41664610Speaking after their Downing Street talks, Mr Clinton said he and Theresa May had a good meeting.
The former president met DUP and Sinn Féin politicians in Belfast on Tuesday.
The two parties have been holding talks in a bid to end nine months of political deadlock at Stormont.
Meanwhile I thought this was interesting. I didn’t realise that Northern Ireland residents could apply for Irish citizenship.
Irishtimes said:
The majority of people in Northern Ireland are likely to want Irish passports after the UK leaves the European Union, the Taoiseach said Thursday, as he stressed to EU leaders the “unique situation” in the North.
Speaking after a meeting with Nordic and Baltic leaders and as he went into the European Council meeting in Brussels, Mr Varadkar said: “One point I made to them was that, and it does surprise some European leaders, was that after the UK leaves the EU that it’s very likely that the majority of people in Northern Ireland will be Irish and European citizens. Because even people from a unionist background will want to become Irish and European citizens at the very least for the convenience.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/even-unionists-will-want-irish-passport-after-brexit-says-varadkar-1.3262088?mode=ampSpeaking after a meeting with Nordic and Baltic leaders and as he went into the European Council meeting in Brussels, Mr Varadkar said: “One point I made to them was that, and it does surprise some European leaders, was that after the UK leaves the EU that it’s very likely that the majority of people in Northern Ireland will be Irish and European citizens. Because even people from a unionist background will want to become Irish and European citizens at the very least for the convenience.
stupidbutkeen said:
If your born in N.Ireland you do not need to apply for irish citizenship, You get it by birthright.
Everyone born here can have a UK or a Irish passport ( some have both)
Anyone with an Irish parent is automatically an Irish citizen and is entitled to an Irish passport as is anyone with an Irish grandparent. Everyone born here can have a UK or a Irish passport ( some have both)
The parent has to have been born on the island of Ireland, and if you're claiming because of a grandparent then your birth needs to registered in the Foreign Births Register
Thats how Jack Charlton got our Irish football team to the quarter finals of the 1988 Euro Soccer, he found good players in England and matched them up with an Irish Granny !
It certainly will be an interesting situation if Brexit ges ahead and all those people in NI apply for Irish Passports.
It certainly will be an interesting situation if Brexit ges ahead and all those people in NI apply for Irish Passports.
majordad said:
Thats how Jack Charlton got our Irish football team to the quarter finals of the 1988 Euro Soccer, he found good players in England and matched them up with an Irish Granny !
It certainly will be an interesting situation if Brexit ges ahead and all those people in NI apply for Irish Passports.
Tony Cascarino had no Irish ancestry, big Jack put the application through to UEFA, and low and behold he was then playing for Ireland. No one in UEFA could be bothered to check and Jack chanced his arm and got away with it!!It certainly will be an interesting situation if Brexit ges ahead and all those people in NI apply for Irish Passports.
Legendary stuff.
The Stormont deadlock continues.
Maybe this will help:
A review into the pay of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly, which has not been functioning since January, has been ordered by the secretary of state. James Brokenshire said he has asked a former clerk of the assembly, Trevor Reaney, to conduct an independent assessment of MLAs' salaries. He requested a report by 15 December. Ninety MLAs who were elected in March, are continuing to receive their full salary, even though the assembly has not met to appoint a new executive
Maybe this will help:
A review into the pay of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly, which has not been functioning since January, has been ordered by the secretary of state. James Brokenshire said he has asked a former clerk of the assembly, Trevor Reaney, to conduct an independent assessment of MLAs' salaries. He requested a report by 15 December. Ninety MLAs who were elected in March, are continuing to receive their full salary, even though the assembly has not met to appoint a new executive
Francy555 said:
Tony Cascarino had no Irish ancestry, big Jack put the application through to UEFA, and low and behold he was then playing for Ireland. No one in UEFA could be bothered to check and Jack chanced his arm and got away with it!!
Legendary stuff.
The Irish Granny trick predates Jack Charlton by many years.Legendary stuff.
Poor wee Arlene getting a bit big for her doc martens today. Telling Leo Varadkar to not be so reckless with the Ni - Irish border.
Just wish Leo would say- Me reckless? I'm not the one who signed up to burning 700million of tax payers money so we could have precooked chicken!!
Wind yer neck in biatch!I
But Leo's to posh to do that!
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
Irish PM should know better over Brexit, says Arlene Foster - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42064743
Just wish Leo would say- Me reckless? I'm not the one who signed up to burning 700million of tax payers money so we could have precooked chicken!!
Wind yer neck in biatch!I
But Leo's to posh to do that!
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
Irish PM should know better over Brexit, says Arlene Foster - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42064743
Edited by Francy555 on Tuesday 21st November 21:33
I think Leo does understand the border issue alot better than Arlene.
You need to remember that Arlene would be over the moon to have to be stopped at a border crossing by a customs offical and be asked for the purpose of visiting Ireland " my dear man as prime minister I'm going to visit your Taoiseach in leinster house"
You need to understand the arrogance & ambition of this woman... Knee deep in most of the political scandal in Ni, yet bats it off with a snarl that would turn away a hungry bear from a bbq. Now she has Mrs May in her back pocket she can more or less act with impunity and boy does she enjoy it!
Leo on the otherhand recognises the importance of free movement of people, goods, agricultural produce etc across a frictionless border, any sort of border checkpoints would just be target practice for dissident republicans and there is only so much dissident republican action that the unionist/loyalist paramilitaries can take before they also get trigger happy and suddenly we're right back in the 1990's....
No one wants that....
Put the customs border at the airport and docks.. Its the simplest and most practical solution, your there for a good period of time pre departure so you may as well be checked by customs in that period of time rather than sit in the lounge waiting on the gate no to be called.
You need to remember that Arlene would be over the moon to have to be stopped at a border crossing by a customs offical and be asked for the purpose of visiting Ireland " my dear man as prime minister I'm going to visit your Taoiseach in leinster house"
You need to understand the arrogance & ambition of this woman... Knee deep in most of the political scandal in Ni, yet bats it off with a snarl that would turn away a hungry bear from a bbq. Now she has Mrs May in her back pocket she can more or less act with impunity and boy does she enjoy it!
Leo on the otherhand recognises the importance of free movement of people, goods, agricultural produce etc across a frictionless border, any sort of border checkpoints would just be target practice for dissident republicans and there is only so much dissident republican action that the unionist/loyalist paramilitaries can take before they also get trigger happy and suddenly we're right back in the 1990's....
No one wants that....
Put the customs border at the airport and docks.. Its the simplest and most practical solution, your there for a good period of time pre departure so you may as well be checked by customs in that period of time rather than sit in the lounge waiting on the gate no to be called.
It does be interesting to watch parliament sometimes... there could be 100 or more MP's in the chamber and SoS James Brokenshire, Nigel Dodds or any other of the DUP MP's arise to speak - the chamber just empties - the English MP's can't get out of there quick enough.
If that doesn't show the DUP and indeed the NI unionist population how little the English care about NI I think they're beyond educating.
A United Ireland is an interesting concept - you have a significant proportion of the population that don't want it - a massive amount of the NI workforce employed by the public sector who would no doubt face major redundancies as you wouldn't need two of each government departments, a small minority of people who are benefiting from the border - smuggling etc and a question of whether or not the economy would be sustainable.
It's wishful thinking in my eyes.
If that doesn't show the DUP and indeed the NI unionist population how little the English care about NI I think they're beyond educating.
A United Ireland is an interesting concept - you have a significant proportion of the population that don't want it - a massive amount of the NI workforce employed by the public sector who would no doubt face major redundancies as you wouldn't need two of each government departments, a small minority of people who are benefiting from the border - smuggling etc and a question of whether or not the economy would be sustainable.
It's wishful thinking in my eyes.
Francy555 said:
Eric Mc said:
Not if you are talking about the whole island.
I was talking about the whole island - a lot of the residents of the Republic view the Northerners as secular bigoted individuals - and wouldn't want anything to do with them.slow_poke said:
Francy555 said:
Eric Mc said:
Not if you are talking about the whole island.
I was talking about the whole island - a lot of the residents of the Republic view the Northerners as secular bigoted individuals - and wouldn't want anything to do with them.Eric Mc said:
slow_poke said:
Francy555 said:
Eric Mc said:
Not if you are talking about the whole island.
I was talking about the whole island - a lot of the residents of the Republic view the Northerners as secular bigoted individuals - and wouldn't want anything to do with them.I'm loving what's happened so far with the RHI enquiry, I just hope it doesn't drag on too long and run out of steam, or (heaven forbid) someone having a quiet word about rocking the boat now that the PM needs those 10 votes on her side. It's about time the smug "christians" in that little DUP cabal got a kick in the places that hurt. Arlene would suit an orange jumpsuit.
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