Discussion
technodup said:
The smelly wee runt shouldn't be given any airtime or press coverage whatsoever. He's got eight f
king MPs. He's utterly irrelevant.
Nine MPs, that's eight more than UKIP. So what does that say about UKIP?king MPs. He's utterly irrelevant.
Libs took a beating over the Clegg coalition, can't see that happening next time around.
hornetrider said:
That's the LibDim red line. To go against the democratic will of the people. Gor'bless progressive liberal thinking.
I've seen this idea that just because something won a vote we should all keep our mouths shut and go along with it a lot round here. I'd be curious to know where it started, it's certainly not how democracy is supposed to work. A fair government needs an opposition.MarshPhantom said:
technodup said:
The smelly wee runt shouldn't be given any airtime or press coverage whatsoever. He's got eight fking MPs. He's utterly irrelevant.
Nine MPs, that's eight more than UKIP. So what does that say about UKIP?king MPs. He's utterly irrelevant.Libs took a beating over the Clegg coalition, can't see that happening next time around.
BUT IT'S OKAY, they've finally reached double digits in a few polls again, won what was, until their 2015 ruination, a marginal seat and about thrity council by elections.
#libdemfightback
ZedLeg said:
I've seen this idea that just because something won a vote we should all keep our mouths shut and go along with it a lot round here. I'd be curious to know where it started, it's certainly not how democracy is supposed to work. A fair government needs an opposition.
I wonder it would have been said so much if the vote was 52% remain 
.Swervin_Mervin said:
But he's not is he?
The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
Agree with this including last sentence.The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
A clever move by Farron one which has a good chance of improving on their current 8 MPs, with Corbyn now agreeing that brexit must stand(and thinking about the seats he might lose up north to say any different) Farron is now the only flag bearer of Remain which we must remember was just under half the people who voted.
It wasn't long ago they were on the ropes and people said they were finished after the coilition, with Labour as they are at the moment this is a very shrewed move by Farron.
Raygun said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
But he's not is he?
The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
Agree with this including last sentence.The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
A clever move by Farron one which has a good chance of improving on their current 8 MPs, with Corbyn now agreeing that brexit must stand(and thinking about the seats he might lose up north to say any different) Farron is now the only flag bearer of Remain which we must remember was just under half the people who voted.
It wasn't long ago they were on the ropes and people said they were finished after the coilition, with Labour as they are at the moment this is a very shrewed move by Farron.
Say what you like about him. At least Fallon is giving a voice to the many millions who voted Remain.
Corbyn and Labour are a busted flush on this issue. They just wish it would somehow go away.
Our system relies on checks and balances. Labour is failing on that account. It is not good for democracy to have a party, of whatever colour, run the country unopposed.
Fallon may not be my cup of tea. But, at least he's giving us an alternative view. One that needs to be heard.
Corbyn and Labour are a busted flush on this issue. They just wish it would somehow go away.
Our system relies on checks and balances. Labour is failing on that account. It is not good for democracy to have a party, of whatever colour, run the country unopposed.
Fallon may not be my cup of tea. But, at least he's giving us an alternative view. One that needs to be heard.
Swervin_Mervin said:
But he's not is he?
The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
Labour's problem is Corbyn isn't particularly anti-Brexit. Only 10 Labour MPs voted Leave, compared with 138 Tories.The Conservatives are now squarely (it seems) on the side of Leaving. Their position, on the face of it, is set (maybe).
Labour are sat firmly on the fence and cannot decide which way to go. Corbyn's supressing his leave beliefs, as the official party line is to remain. However, they can't push the official line too much as they know a sizable chunk of their voters are leavers. Add to that the boundary changes that will be pushed through and they face a serious threat of not being reelected for some time. They genuinely appear to not know what to do - if we give them the benefit of the doubt they are, at best, hedging their bets.
So the stage is set for Farron to push the Lib Dems as the hard line Remainers. Given many that voted Remain are likely to have liberal tendencies it makes absolutely perfect sense.
Can't stand the pillock though.
Blib said:
Say what you like about him. At least Fallon is giving a voice to the many millions who voted Remain.
Um, they had a voice, that was when they voted. It's just they lost. That is how voting and elections and things work.
But now we seem to have people who are a product of the "give everyone a medal for turning up" brigade who throw their toys out of the pram at every point and throw a tantrum on the floor screaming "but it's not faaaaaaiiirrrr" etc etc
More people voted to leave than remain, so be it, if you believe in Democracy and not a dictatorship then that is the end of it is it not? Or do people believe in democracy only when it goes their way?
Jasandjules said:
Um, they had a voice, that was when they voted. It's just they lost.
That is how voting and elections and things work.
But now we seem to have people who are a product of the "give everyone a medal for turning up" brigade who throw their toys out of the pram at every point and throw a tantrum on the floor screaming "but it's not faaaaaaiiirrrr" etc etc
More people voted to leave than remain, so be it, if you believe in Democracy and not a dictatorship then that is the end of it is it not? Or do people believe in democracy only when it goes their way?
Like when labour were in power. Nobody round here moaned about the election result or stereotyped the people who voted for them. If only the country was more like NP&EThat is how voting and elections and things work.
But now we seem to have people who are a product of the "give everyone a medal for turning up" brigade who throw their toys out of the pram at every point and throw a tantrum on the floor screaming "but it's not faaaaaaiiirrrr" etc etc
More people voted to leave than remain, so be it, if you believe in Democracy and not a dictatorship then that is the end of it is it not? Or do people believe in democracy only when it goes their way?
chow pan toon said:
ike when labour were in power. Nobody round here moaned about the election result or stereotyped the people who voted for them. If only the country was more like NP&E
There sure was lots of moaning. I don't remember Tory or LibDem people demanding another election the next day because they didn't like the result, thinking people should vote again until the 'right' result was achieved. His party's seen an opportunity to gain a few seats in strong remain areas of London like Richmond and they'll probably gain a few more.
And because he's the shrillest voice for remain, he's on the media relentlessly at the moment.
But even though he's being seen a lot, people still get his name wrong (as can be seen in this thread, it's Farron, not Fallon) all the time. which doesn't bode well for the Lib Dems come election time, people just don't care about him or his opinions.
Oh, and he looks like the kid that got bullied all the time at school, he gives off an air of 'wimp';
And because he's the shrillest voice for remain, he's on the media relentlessly at the moment.
But even though he's being seen a lot, people still get his name wrong (as can be seen in this thread, it's Farron, not Fallon) all the time. which doesn't bode well for the Lib Dems come election time, people just don't care about him or his opinions.
Oh, and he looks like the kid that got bullied all the time at school, he gives off an air of 'wimp';
I now place Minor Fart, and the rest of the Not Liberal, Not Democratic clowns in the same idiot bin as the Labour Party . Perhaps I've been naive, I used to think of them as principled people, and , on occasion, when the "least worst" have needed punishing , they have had my vote.
Never again, their actions post referenda has been deplorable, if that word is enough , no respect for the elctorate at all, utters
P/S Yes, minor fart is an anagram . Which poses the question of just who sits down and works such things out
Never again, their actions post referenda has been deplorable, if that word is enough , no respect for the elctorate at all, utter
sP/S Yes, minor fart is an anagram . Which poses the question of just who sits down and works such things out
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