Tim Farron

[PH XKR]

Lets get this back on track, discussing the budget of the NHS should be in the snap election thread.

Tim Farron is the kind of bloke you would never tire of punching in the face.

If Joe Cartoon were to make a Tim Farron blender, it would be a step towards the mental release required by many when it comes to seeing this ginger testicle headed smeg face.

[jmorgan]

Kerist. Joe Cartoon, blast from the past, he still going? Wonder how many need to look him up.

[Fastdruid]

skwdenyer said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

I did understand the 10-20% but when it gets down to it this is about one hunch vs another. The polls are all over the place.

Not really the polls have been pretty clear. Little regret, what there is seems to be more remain than leave regret and 2/3rds of people wouldn't want another referendum. So absolute best case the Lib Dems are appealing to 1/3rd but that third wouldn't be all "remainers".

The upper bound for the Lib Dems is about 20% not 48%.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the polls. Notwithstanding the reckless stupidity of effecting wholesale constitutional change on a simple majority basis (1974 and 2016), the polls I've seen show enough of a swing.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist

[B'stard Child]

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

I did understand the 10-20% but when it gets down to it this is about one hunch vs another. The polls are all over the place.

Not really the polls have been pretty clear. Little regret, what there is seems to be more remain than leave regret and 2/3rds of people wouldn't want another referendum. So absolute best case the Lib Dems are appealing to 1/3rd but that third wouldn't be all "remainers".

The upper bound for the Lib Dems is about 20% not 48%.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the polls. Notwithstanding the reckless stupidity of effecting wholesale constitutional change on a simple majority basis (1974 and 2016), the polls I've seen show enough of a swing.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist

It's been said on here several times but it's nice to see a recognition in at least part of the Media

Any one got Blair or tt Farron's email addresses?

[turbobloke]

B'stard Child said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

I did understand the 10-20% but when it gets down to it this is about one hunch vs another. The polls are all over the place.

Not really the polls have been pretty clear. Little regret, what there is seems to be more remain than leave regret and 2/3rds of people wouldn't want another referendum. So absolute best case the Lib Dems are appealing to 1/3rd but that third wouldn't be all "remainers".

The upper bound for the Lib Dems is about 20% not 48%.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the polls. Notwithstanding the reckless stupidity of effecting wholesale constitutional change on a simple majority basis (1974 and 2016), the polls I've seen show enough of a swing.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist

It's been said on here several times but it's nice to see a recognition in at least part of the Media

Aye. Goodbye 48% Hello 25%.

25% tops as Druncker is helping to create EU opponents as time goes by.

With Conservatives leading among Remainers in that ICM poll, it's also Goodnight Vienna and Bye Bye Brussels.

The question remaining is, will Tim Who survive through to July.

[Biker 1]

turbobloke said:

The question remaining is, will Tim Who survive through to July.

I hope not! There's something about him that makes my teeth itch.

[Fastdruid]

Biker 1 said:

turbobloke said:

The question remaining is, will Tim Who survive through to July.

I hope not! There's something about him that makes my teeth itch.

Seeing as the Anti-Brexit stance looks like it's not going to pay off (still only about 8% support) it's questionable. Who else is there though, especially if they only get 6 or so MP's.

[skwdenyer]

turbobloke said:

B'stard Child said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

I did understand the 10-20% but when it gets down to it this is about one hunch vs another. The polls are all over the place.

Not really the polls have been pretty clear. Little regret, what there is seems to be more remain than leave regret and 2/3rds of people wouldn't want another referendum. So absolute best case the Lib Dems are appealing to 1/3rd but that third wouldn't be all "remainers".

The upper bound for the Lib Dems is about 20% not 48%.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the polls. Notwithstanding the reckless stupidity of effecting wholesale constitutional change on a simple majority basis (1974 and 2016), the polls I've seen show enough of a swing.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist

It's been said on here several times but it's nice to see a recognition in at least part of the Media

Aye. Goodbye 48% Hello 25%.

25% tops as Druncker is helping to create EU opponents as time goes by.

With Conservatives leading among Remainers in that ICM poll, it's also Goodnight Vienna and Bye Bye Brussels.

The question remaining is, will Tim Who survive through to July.

I do feel this may be a bit of an example of proof by assumption.

The reality is that there is no concerted Remain campaign. People will by and large not stay angry for long; they'll resign themselves, and move on. Unless a plausible path "back" is charted for them.

The assumption is that those people are immune to being presented with a path "back." The further assumption is that, if presented with same, they won't take it.

If we assume the latter, the status quo will hold.

Have we really reached such a barren place that there are no people of ideals and principles left in politics; people who will stand up and say "no, that is _not_ the right way; let me show you an alternative"?

Nobody really expected Leave to win. Some people were angry; but many more were resigned to the status quo. The Leave campaign, following on from UKIP, gave them a clear choice; a path to follow. And here we all are.

It is, sadly, academic; Tim Farron and co are cut from the same opinion-poll-led cloth as all the others. Except it seems they're not just not as good at it.

What I said at the start of my comments here as this; I believed there was a clear position for Tim F to take, standing against the other parties and with a very clear choice: vote for us and we will _not_ leave. Not another referendum, not another soul searching trial pitting neighbours against neighbours. A clear choice for the voters.

I believed; I still believe that such a proposition, stated clearly and unambiguously, delivered with passion and conviction, would have stood a chance of creating new energy around the debate, and uniquely positioned the Lib Dems as the genuine opposition to the established orthodoxy.

Instead, in my view, they fluffed it. So we'll see where it goes from here.

[Stickyfinger]

Nobody really expected Leave to win

I did based on everybody I knew saying they were going to vote leave....

[s2art]

Stickyfinger said:

Nobody really expected Leave to win

I did based on everybody I knew saying they were going to vote leave....

+1

[B'stard Child]

Stickyfinger said:

Nobody really expected Leave to win

I did based on everybody I knew saying they were going to vote leave....

I live in a high leave area but I wasn't confident that the level of leave support across the whole country would be enough to swing it

I was glad when the results came thro

[turbobloke]

skwdenyer said:

turbobloke said:

B'stard Child said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

Fastdruid said:

skwdenyer said:

I did understand the 10-20% but when it gets down to it this is about one hunch vs another. The polls are all over the place.

Not really the polls have been pretty clear. Little regret, what there is seems to be more remain than leave regret and 2/3rds of people wouldn't want another referendum. So absolute best case the Lib Dems are appealing to 1/3rd but that third wouldn't be all "remainers".

The upper bound for the Lib Dems is about 20% not 48%.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the polls. Notwithstanding the reckless stupidity of effecting wholesale constitutional change on a simple majority basis (1974 and 2016), the polls I've seen show enough of a swing.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist

It's been said on here several times but it's nice to see a recognition in at least part of the Media

Aye. Goodbye 48% Hello 25%.

25% tops as Druncker is helping to create EU opponents as time goes by.

With Conservatives leading among Remainers in that ICM poll, it's also Goodnight Vienna and Bye Bye Brussels.

The question remaining is, will Tim Who survive through to July.

I do feel this may be a bit of an example of proof by assumption.

As it happens, I don't.

[SpeckledJim]

skwdenyer said:

What I said at the start of my comments here as this; I believed there was a clear position for Tim F to take, standing against the other parties and with a very clear choice: vote for us and we will _not_ leave. Not another referendum, not another soul searching trial pitting neighbours against neighbours. A clear choice for the voters.

Surely that might have been a good vote-winner for them, given the trouble they're in now.

But can the Liberal DEMOCRATS credibly campaign on a 'we ignore referenda results we don't like' ticket?

[Deptford Draylons]

Damn it, I have to actually give some credit to Farron for actually being out there and getting told in no uncertain terms in some cases what the public thinks, while May seems to be at home not needing to even get out of bed to win and Corbyn is a calamitous disaster and running away from army veterans.

[Fastdruid]

Deptford Draylons said:

Damn it, I have to actually give some credit to Farron for actually being out there and getting told in no uncertain terms in some cases what the public thinks, while May seems to be at home not needing to even get out of bed to win and Corbyn is a calamitous disaster and running away from army veterans.

There is this belief that "May is at home while Corbyn is out". May has been out and about all over the country. The difference is that Corbyn has been out seeing all his fans while May has been visiting targeted seats and using targeted adverts. If you're not part of the target audience you probably haven't seen much of it.

[Rich_W]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lib-dems-p...



50 fking thousand!

Just when you thought "OK I can see people who want to scupper Brexit voting for these tts."

They ramp up the tttery to 1000%

I intend to Vote Tory. Always have. I live in Tom Brakes constituency so it's likely they'll be returned anyway. (despite it being run crap!)

But fk me, it's like Corbyn but in yellow. Don't actually WANT to win. Or are so out of touch they think great swathes of the country are as cretinous as themselves!

[turbobloke]

The LibDems obviously want fewer MPs if they can manage it.

[James P]

Rich_W said:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lib-dems-p...



50 fking thousand!

Just when you thought "OK I can see people who want to scupper Brexit voting for these tts."

They ramp up the tttery to 1000%

I intend to Vote Tory. Always have. I live in Tom Brakes constituency so it's likely they'll be returned anyway. (despite it being run crap!)

But fk me, it's like Corbyn but in yellow. Don't actually WANT to win. Or are so out of touch they think great swathes of the country are as cretinous as themselves!

I'm in the same constituency. Now that UKIP have said they're not putting up a candidate here or Sutton & Cheam, I'm hopeful that we'll have a new MP come 9th June. Local FB pages and Twitter is showing much louder dissatisfaction with Brake this time.

[Puggit]

Is this the LibDem thread? Do they have anyone else apart from Farron?

Anyway, they've pledged to legalise cannabis: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/863000628079075...

[Rich_W]

Puggit said:

Is this the LibDem thread? Do they have anyone else apart from Farron?

Anyway, they've pledged to legalise cannabis: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/863000628079075...

Well after they lost the Student vote over tution fees, they thought "lets see what stereotype we can use for students and make a policy for them"