Tim Farron

[Murph7355]

Blib said:

So, not shut up then? More 'toe the line'. Farron has every rght to put his view across. It's his job!

Farron's job is to represent his constituents. The majority of whom he seems to want to ignore in the same way you think you are being. I'm not sure how refusing to vote for Article 50 is representing his constituents and really, really hope they hand him his P45 in 2020. It's just a shame they can't do so sooner.

"Toe the line"? Ultimately you have no choice - the majority of people wanted us out. So out it should be.

No one's telling you to like it. Crikey, you can even sit there moaning about it for the rest of your days for all I care. But people tend to listen more to those who are constructive IME.

It's happening. You could leave the country and go to a state that is unlikely to leave the EU if being part of the EU is the most important thing to you. Or you could try and become the anti-Farage and set up a party to try and persuade us to go back in. But as advice (a) don't follow Farron's lead as it will get you nowhere and (b) try and find the cast iron proof that being part of the EU is definitively positive as that is the way to win hearts and minds.

You may, however, have more luck finding the Holy Grail.

[anonymous-user]

audidoody said:

I'm halfway through reading this.



If you remain a "Remainer" I recommend you read it too.

Read that a few years ago myself, I think it was updated last year to include more recent events.

[crankedup]

Blib said:

Jasandjules said:

Blib said:

Say what you like about him. At least Fallon is giving a voice to the many millions who voted Remain.

Um, they had a voice, that was when they voted. It's just they lost.

That is how voting and elections and things work.

But now we seem to have people who are a product of the "give everyone a medal for turning up" brigade who throw their toys out of the pram at every point and throw a tantrum on the floor screaming "but it's not faaaaaaiiirrrr" etc etc

More people voted to leave than remain, so be it, if you believe in Democracy and not a dictatorship then that is the end of it is it not? Or do people believe in democracy only when it goes their way?

This is the problem with Referenda. This issue is not black and white. No democracy can afford to ignore the wishes of 49% of people who voted. Their views must be put forward and given a voice.

Telling half the voters to, "Shut up", is not democracy, in my opinion.

The issue was black or white, at least it was from what I read on the papers I recieved. Vote to stay in or leave, what more could be more plain.

[PH XKR]

hornetrider said:

I think this fine gentleman is deserving of his own thread.

Farron accuses labour of giving up over Brexit.

Tim Nice But Dim said:

"We think the best thing is for Britain to stay in the European Union, and we hope to provide a vehicle, through a referendum on the terms of the deal, that allows them to do that,” Farron said. Without the promise of a public vote, he said, his party would not back any bill. “That’s our red line.”

Link:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/l...

That's the LibDim red line. To go against the democratic will of the people. Gor'bless progressive liberal thinking.

Giving him his own thread is giving him his own platform. Please don't.

[Carl_Manchester]

Trim Farron is harmless.

be careful with those scissors around dianne pls. tim.

i am happy he has a thread

[williamp]

Bump because, well its February and I'm sure we'll hear from him soon. Maybe he'll lead a glorious rebellion in the commons and refuse the Brexit vote? maybe HE is the one who will stop Trump doing what he said he would do? maybe HE can find peace in the middle east??

[paulrockliffe]

williamp said:

Bump because, well its February and I'm sure we'll hear from him soon.

Where have you been? He's the BBC's stooge for continuing the referendum campaign, he's been on pretty much every show going for weeks as they try ever more obtuse methods for telling us how wrong we are!

As much as that annoys me, I quite enjoy it too because when he's interviewed you can see in his eyes that he is thick as pig-st plain as day.

[Tony427]

T'was a delight to see Mr Farron MP at PMQ's today bleating on about the Brexit situation amid much jeering from around him.

However the best moment came from the MP called after Mr Farron who started his question with,

" Back in the real world"..

Cue laughter and mirth from all corners of the chamber.

Cheers,

Tony

[SpeckledJim]

Derek Smith said:

Blib said:

This is the problem with Referenda. This issue is not black and white. No democracy can afford to ignore the wishes of 49% of people who voted. Their views must be put forward and given a voice.

Telling half the voters to, "Shut up", is not democracy, in my opinion.

You could also suggest that he gives a voice to the three quarters of 18 to 25 year olds who voted to remain. Or, of course, the 62% of people who did not vote to leave.

There is parliamentary democracy, and there is referenda. It is easy to mix up the two.

Lets be accurate Derek. Three quarters of 18-25 year olds DID NOT vote to remain. The majority of them did not vote at all. 36% of them voted. 27% of them voted Remain. Not a lot. Certainly not three quarters.

As a group they clearly did not give much of a toss when it mattered. Now they demand a voice. Well, their voice would have swung it if they had piped-up when everyone else did.

Let us hope they learn a lesson from that.

Those who did not vote at all merit zero consideration whatsoever. Not voting is a positive statement that you do not prefer one result over another. Done. Over.

[Mothersruin]

Frankly, they were lucky to even get a chance to vote - most of us have been led into the European Experiment without a choice.

They should STFU and be grateful.

[Europa1]

SpeckledJim said:

Derek Smith said:

Blib said:

This is the problem with Referenda. This issue is not black and white. No democracy can afford to ignore the wishes of 49% of people who voted. Their views must be put forward and given a voice.

Telling half the voters to, "Shut up", is not democracy, in my opinion.

You could also suggest that he gives a voice to the three quarters of 18 to 25 year olds who voted to remain. Or, of course, the 62% of people who did not vote to leave.

There is parliamentary democracy, and there is referenda. It is easy to mix up the two.

Lets be accurate Derek. Three quarters of 18-25 year olds DID NOT vote to remain. The majority of them did not vote at all. 36% of them voted. 27% of them voted Remain. Not a lot. Certainly not three quarters.

As a group they clearly did not give much of a toss when it mattered. Now they demand a voice. Well, their voice would have swung it if they had piped-up when everyone else did.

Let us hope they learn a lesson from that.

Those who did not vote at all merit zero consideration whatsoever. Not voting is a positive statement that you do not prefer one result over another. Done. Over.

Agreed; we do need to differentiate between those who voted (whichever choice they made), versus those who chose not to exercise their vote one way or the other.

[Evanivitch]

SpeckledJim said:

As a group they clearly did not give much of a toss when it mattered. Now they demand a voice. Well, their voice would have swung it if they had piped-up when everyone else did.

Let us hope they learn a lesson from that.

As someone that was firmly in that demographic in 2010 I've certainly learnt a lesson. We got the Lib Dems into power, on promises that were supposed to be in our favour. Fat lot of good that did.

No matter how many of the millennials come out to vote we will always get screwed over by the silver vote.

[Hayek]

Evanivitch said:

SpeckledJim said:

As a group they clearly did not give much of a toss when it mattered. Now they demand a voice. Well, their voice would have swung it if they had piped-up when everyone else did.

Let us hope they learn a lesson from that.

As someone that was firmly in that demographic in 2010 I've certainly learnt a lesson. We got the Lib Dems into power, on promises that were supposed to be in our favour. Fat lot of good that did.

No matter how many of the millennials come out to vote we will always get screwed over by the silver vote.

Funny the reasons people vote a particular way. I've always voted for what I've thought would be better for the country in the long run rather than what can I personally get out of the system right now.

[Halb]

Don't like him.

[Evanivitch]

Hayek said:

Funny the reasons people vote a particular way. I've always voted for what I've thought would be better for the country in the long run rather than what can I personally get out of the system right now.

Someone elses short term pain is worth your long term happiness? How noble of you.

[s3fella]

Evanivitch said:

Hayek said:

Funny the reasons people vote a particular way. I've always voted for what I've thought would be better for the country in the long run rather than what can I personally get out of the system right now.

Someone elses short term pain is worth your long term happiness? How noble of you.

What "short term pain" did you experience and how was it caused by the "silver vote" ?

[Hayek]

Evanivitch said:

Hayek said:

Funny the reasons people vote a particular way. I've always voted for what I've thought would be better for the country in the long run rather than what can I personally get out of the system right now.

Someone elses short term pain is worth your long term happiness? How noble of you.

Did you think to learn to read before going to university? Not 'someone elses', my pain! I vote against my short term interests if I think a policy will have long term bad effects on the country.

If the country does well in the long run we all do well. If someone gets some free tuition in the short term and we send even more people to university that shouldn't be there we will all suffer in the long run.

[williamp]

The POWER of the man. Staunchly anti democrac...er... anti Brexit, he nededd to whip 8 other MP's to vote against the Government tonight. He managed 6...

[Halb]

williamp said:

The POWER of the man. Staunchly anti democrac...er... anti Brexit, he nededd to whip 8 other MP's to vote against the Government tonight. He managed 6...

Did the other two vote?

[Deptford Draylons]

I feel kinda sorry for remainers ( those who don't accept and wish to overturn the result, not people who just voted remain ) if Tim Farron is the last hope of getting you back into the EU.