23rd Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau
Discussion
fttm said:
Trudeau is a grade A prick who is ruining this great country . Appears to think that Canada stops West of the Ontario border and comes out with comments like"the budget will balance itself"whilst spiraling us into massive debt . Just mention his name out West and see the responses 
My major reservation is the inability to manage the economy and I agree he will cause us long term fiscal damage....BlackPrince said:
I thought most immigrants voted liberal :P
-a British ex-pat and immigrant
I have voted for Liberal doing the Paul Martin years when he was finance minister but conservative since the beginning of the Harper era. -a British ex-pat and immigrant
Personally I skew very liberal on some social policies..i.e. abortion,gay marriage, equality of women and so on, but as a business person I am very aware of the stewardship role of government in managing the economy. This includes trimming down the inflated payrolls in the public sector both in terms of headcount and payroll levels, a serious and realistic look and the massive pension deficit looming in the public sector, a review of the benefits to the general public and how they can be paid for, and a sensible discussion on infrastructure spending. Yes, we need to deal with crumbling infrastructure, but it needs to be bid out properly with no requirement for union labour for instance. I would like to see a review of immigration that would include a more skill-based set of policies for non-refugees so we can deal with specific skill shortages in the economy and perhaps make immigration condition on residence in areas where skills are most needed.
Still better than the madness down South though.
fttm said:
Trudeau is a grade A prick who is ruining this great country . Appears to think that Canada stops West of the Ontario border and comes out with comments like"the budget will balance itself"whilst spiraling us into massive debt . Just mention his name out West and see the responses
The west; BC and Alberta at least, though I still count the next one over as 'west' too, do seem to be having spectacular issues with this Trudeau fellow. From frying pan into the fire.An old friend in Vancouver posted something regarding the BC Scrap-it Program (sic) ($6000 dollars towards a new electric car, if you scrap the old one), in response to which I suggested that giving taxpayer's money to people who can already afford a new car, as compared to giving nothing to those who cannot, seemed to me to be a somewhat unequal redistribution of public funds?
The response was that "it isn't taxpayer's money", but within minutes I located $40 Million in New Funding for Clean Energy Vehicles.
Now to someone of my obviously limited intellect, it would seem that when a provincial government 'grants' money to a 'not-for-profit' organisation, it is handing over taxpayer's money?
I wonder what the salaries of the not-for-profit directors amount to?
Anyone able to alleviate my state of ignorance?
Perhaps someone will explain to me how government money isn't taxpayer's money?
Last year, self-same friend was telling me how cheap his new 'Leaf' was to buy.
After adding up the subsidies and rebates; he had received $12,000 in (not?) taxpayer's money then too.
Don't get me wrong, we are old and good friends, and I am pleased for his current professional success (he deserves it), but this really seems to be a case of champagne liberals receiving all the benefits.
RDMcG said:
I have voted for Liberal doing the Paul Martin years when he was finance minister but conservative since the beginning of the Harper era.
Personally I skew very liberal on some social policies..i.e. abortion,gay marriage, equality of women and so on, but as a business person I am very aware of the stewardship role of government in managing the economy. This includes trimming down the inflated payrolls in the public sector both in terms of headcount and payroll levels, a serious and realistic look and the massive pension deficit looming in the public sector, a review of the benefits to the general public and how they can be paid for, and a sensible discussion on infrastructure spending. Yes, we need to deal with crumbling infrastructure, but it needs to be bid out properly with no requirement for union labour for instance. I would like to see a review of immigration that would include a more skill-based set of policies for non-refugees so we can deal with specific skill shortages in the economy and perhaps make immigration condition on residence in areas where skills are most needed.
Still better than the madness down South though.
Great post, but I was being tongue in cheek - as we're on the same page! The Liberal provincial government in Ontario for one has cocked it up massively. Re: immigration - isn't it with the points system already skill-based? Personally I skew very liberal on some social policies..i.e. abortion,gay marriage, equality of women and so on, but as a business person I am very aware of the stewardship role of government in managing the economy. This includes trimming down the inflated payrolls in the public sector both in terms of headcount and payroll levels, a serious and realistic look and the massive pension deficit looming in the public sector, a review of the benefits to the general public and how they can be paid for, and a sensible discussion on infrastructure spending. Yes, we need to deal with crumbling infrastructure, but it needs to be bid out properly with no requirement for union labour for instance. I would like to see a review of immigration that would include a more skill-based set of policies for non-refugees so we can deal with specific skill shortages in the economy and perhaps make immigration condition on residence in areas where skills are most needed.
Still better than the madness down South though.
BlackPrince said:
Great post, but I was being tongue in cheek - as we're on the same page! The Liberal provincial government in Ontario for one has cocked it up massively. Re: immigration - isn't it with the points system already skill-based?
I am not current on the system as it has evolved but one skilled person can then bring siblings parents, and so on who can then bring grandparents, so the extension of the person can be quite large. My own deal would be spouse and children only. As for the Ontario Government, it might make even Trump look less awful. It is the worst government in living memory in Canada.The thin red line or the thin line between today and red tomorrow?
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RDMcG said:
I have voted for Liberal doing the Paul Martin years when he was finance minister but conservative since the beginning of the Harper era.
Personally I skew very liberal on some social policies..i.e. abortion,gay marriage, equality of women and so on, but as a business person I am very aware of the stewardship role of government in managing the economy. This includes trimming down the inflated payrolls in the public sector both in terms of headcount and payroll levels, a serious and realistic look and the massive pension deficit looming in the public sector, a review of the benefits to the general public and how they can be paid for, and a sensible discussion on infrastructure spending. Yes, we need to deal with crumbling infrastructure, but it needs to be bid out properly with no requirement for union labour for instance. I would like to see a review of immigration that would include a more skill-based set of policies for non-refugees so we can deal with specific skill shortages in the economy and perhaps make immigration condition on residence in areas where skills are most needed.
Still better than the madness down South though.
i see you are making the incorrect assumptions i made for a long time (i suspect our political views are fairly close) . if you read goaty bills post regarding the electric car subsidies it should be quite obvious that all western governments have abandoned the real governance and stewardship role expected of them . this has now been replaced by self interest while providing the service the rent seekers that fund most parties expect ,ie diverting billions of taxpayer cash to private companies and individuals ,often under the cover of "because green" policies.Personally I skew very liberal on some social policies..i.e. abortion,gay marriage, equality of women and so on, but as a business person I am very aware of the stewardship role of government in managing the economy. This includes trimming down the inflated payrolls in the public sector both in terms of headcount and payroll levels, a serious and realistic look and the massive pension deficit looming in the public sector, a review of the benefits to the general public and how they can be paid for, and a sensible discussion on infrastructure spending. Yes, we need to deal with crumbling infrastructure, but it needs to be bid out properly with no requirement for union labour for instance. I would like to see a review of immigration that would include a more skill-based set of policies for non-refugees so we can deal with specific skill shortages in the economy and perhaps make immigration condition on residence in areas where skills are most needed.
Still better than the madness down South though.
as for trudeau , this is who he reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GIsExb5jJU
RDMcG said:
I am not current on the system as it has evolved but one skilled person can then bring siblings parents, and so on who can then bring grandparents, so the extension of the person can be quite large. My own deal would be spouse and children only. As for the Ontario Government, it might make even Trump look less awful. It is the worst government in living memory in Canada.
RACIST! 
We may also live in the hope of Memeber's Motion 103 (M103) further restricting the freedom of speech of otherwise supposedly 'free' people.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/...
Perhaps it would seem less worrying had Iqra-Khalid (the motion's author and proposer) not insisted that 'Islamophobia' be explicitly named, while excluding all other faiths from the text (far better that none were named).
This is the result when you subjugate English Common Law to a Charter of Rights and Freedoms for which, we may give thanks to the father of the incumbent prime minister.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/...
Perhaps it would seem less worrying had Iqra-Khalid (the motion's author and proposer) not insisted that 'Islamophobia' be explicitly named, while excluding all other faiths from the text (far better that none were named).
This is the result when you subjugate English Common Law to a Charter of Rights and Freedoms for which, we may give thanks to the father of the incumbent prime minister.
He has managed to exceed expectations again;
The budget's gender-based analysis forgot to look at one thing — men
The budget's gender-based analysis forgot to look at one thing — men
Probably better than Trump... the lukest of luke warm endorsements ever given by anyone ever.fttm said:
Trudeau is a grade A prick who is ruining this great country . Appears to think that Canada stops West of the Ontario border and comes out with comments like"the budget will balance itself"whilst spiraling us into massive debt . Just mention his name out West and see the responses
I am in Ontario and likewise cannot stand this man nor his "policies" budget deficit spiraling out of control and his liberal friends in Ontario spinning the same hydro spin to try and win the next provincial election, time to get him and his lot out on a federal and provincial levelI met a lot of Canadians in Mexico last year. It seemed to me that Trudeau to them was like Blair was to us. Mistrusted by the people he served and disliked and yet on the world stage people fawn all over him.
One woman who had her own business was particularly vocal about how bad the economy was and that there seemed to be no end to what she and others saw as a dash to allow anyone in who then wanted to change the country.
One woman who had her own business was particularly vocal about how bad the economy was and that there seemed to be no end to what she and others saw as a dash to allow anyone in who then wanted to change the country.
robm3 said:
Just back from Edmonton CA, they despise him there. Definitely a new Blair type.
In fairness though it's the low price of oil that's screwing Edmonton, and you can't blame Trudeau for that.
You can in part.In fairness though it's the low price of oil that's screwing Edmonton, and you can't blame Trudeau for that.
He is the main driver behind refusing the pipeline that would make exporting the oil more economically viable.
#ManChildPM
Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Monday 17th April 09:05
hey have a huge problem right now with a potential US tax cut. They wanted to raise capital gains in Canada with the last budget, but right now further tax increases on top of what they piled on is risky. Further , the whole carbon offset taxes will be hugely negative given the Trump retrenchment on coal.....
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