tesla , the future ?
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jsf said:
As soon as take-up of EV is large enough, all subsidies will then be removed and the true costs of ownership will filter through. The car manufacturers are saying profits in EV are much smaller than a conventional car because of the battery costs, so you can either expect lower car company profits or much more expensive cars.
As I said ev cars including the batteries will be cheaper to make by about 2022/2023.jsf said:
RobDickinson said:
As I said ev cars including the batteries will be cheaper to make by about 2022/2023.
Still no where near as cheap as ICE.EVs by 2022/2023 will be cheaper to make than an ICE car.
All down to battery cost which is falling steadily and quickly
tuffer said:
Governments in Norway and Hong Kong have removed the Tax breaks that Tesla benefitted from making them far less attractive, that has got to hurt them.
Norway haven't. All they've suggested is imposing a one off tax on sales of new EVs over 2 tonnes. All the other benefits remain.rscott said:
tuffer said:
Governments in Norway and Hong Kong have removed the Tax breaks that Tesla benefitted from making them far less attractive, that has got to hurt them.
Norway haven't. All they've suggested is imposing a one off tax on sales of new EVs over 2 tonnes. All the other benefits remain.People will knock them any way they can despite them being the future.
rscott said:
tuffer said:
Governments in Norway and Hong Kong have removed the Tax breaks that Tesla benefitted from making them far less attractive, that has got to hurt them.
Norway haven't. All they've suggested is imposing a one off tax on sales of new EVs over 2 tonnes. All the other benefits remain.RobDickinson said:
People will knock them any way they can despite them being the future.
They are the future so we shouldn't be critical? 2019 model ICE cars are also the future, they are also on the whole bloated with pointless technology, overweight, overpowered, over-tired and dull at ditch water. I don't like EV's because, ludicrous party tricks aside, they are as dull as the modern cars they replace. EV enthusiasts shouldn't take it personally when people who enjoy driving don't want to be forced into white goods, irrespective of powertrain. I'm going down to Spa to do a track day in the Leaf, said no one ever. Most of our fun cars are already totally outclassed in every area by modern hybrids, EV's will do the same and are almost there in many respects; doesn't make them beyond criticism or the challenges of switching over to them not worthy of discussion.Looks like the knives are already out for diesels, then the petrol cars will get banned, eventually even the hybrids will go.
Driving a petroleum car might soon be viewed like smoking or drink driving is now. What will happen to classic cars? Will the entire non electric car market just suddenly collapse? All these lovely old cars just suddenly banned from the roads?
People will have to go to goodwood and other events to see old petrol engines get started up and driven around.
Driving a petroleum car might soon be viewed like smoking or drink driving is now. What will happen to classic cars? Will the entire non electric car market just suddenly collapse? All these lovely old cars just suddenly banned from the roads?
People will have to go to goodwood and other events to see old petrol engines get started up and driven around.
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El stovey said:
Looks like the knives are already out for diesels, then the petrol cars will get banned, eventually even the hybrids will go.
Driving a petroleum car might soon be viewed like smoking or drink driving is now. What will happen to classic cars? Will the entire non electric car market just suddenly collapse? All these lovely old cars just suddenly banned from the roads?
People will have to go to goodwood and other events to see old petrol engines get started up and driven around.
With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this... Driving a petroleum car might soon be viewed like smoking or drink driving is now. What will happen to classic cars? Will the entire non electric car market just suddenly collapse? All these lovely old cars just suddenly banned from the roads?
People will have to go to goodwood and other events to see old petrol engines get started up and driven around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
EddieSteadyGo said:
With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
Fascinating. Possibly missing some of the e type charm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
I wonder how long after electric cars become dominant will driverless cars appear or even become mandated?
fblm said:
...EV enthusiasts shouldn't take it personally when people who enjoy driving don't want to be forced into white goods, irrespective of powertrain. I'm going down to Spa to do a track day in the Leaf, said no one ever.
Not quite the purpose of a Leaf though is it? A Leaf is superb for running around London at next to no cost. And without poisoning pedestrians 
. It isn't a sports car, but nor does it pretend to be. I'm personally quite excited to see the range of new electric sport cars that will be launched over the next couple of years. We have already seen what a relatively new company like Rimac can produce, and once Porsche et al. get to grips with the technology, some of the performance options an electric motor at each wheel allows I think will be very interesting.
El stovey said:
What will happen to classic cars?
If it comes to it, I imagine (hope!) the retrofit options will be mind blowing by then. Either that or driving on the road will be so miserably congested and enforced by then that no one will really care that we are confined to track. Worst case we can move to the US.El stovey said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
Fascinating. Possibly missing some of the e type charm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
I wonder how long after electric cars become dominant will driverless cars appear or even become mandated?
Just imagine around London the space which could be freed up which is currently used for parking cars!
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
Fascinating. Possibly missing some of the e type charm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
I wonder how long after electric cars become dominant will driverless cars appear or even become mandated?
Just imagine around London the space which could be freed up which is currently used for parking cars!
El stovey said:
Yup and automated vehicles all communicating with each other and optimising routes and lanes. Traffic will be hugely reduced (assuming they don’t all randomly stop due to glitches or rubbish on the road etc ).
sounds good, lots of empty roads for hooning around on motorcycles wc98 said:
El stovey said:
Yup and automated vehicles all communicating with each other and optimising routes and lanes. Traffic will be hugely reduced (assuming they don’t all randomly stop due to glitches or rubbish on the road etc ).
sounds good, lots of empty roads for hooning around on motorcycles Knock_knock said:
That's a pretty common model; keep the "main" car as ICE and replace the 2nd car with an EV. Then you discover how much nicer, cheaper and more convenient the EV is, and start shifting more and more miles from the ICE to the EV. Then it comes time to replace the main car! 
There are mega discounts off the list price of most EV's too, meaning that when you take into account the current incentives it becomes a much closer proposition than it might first look.
And then once everyone is in, the gubberment will imply 60% electricity tax to make up the shortfall of petroleum tax and then add to that the parked up tax that will replace ved, There are mega discounts off the list price of most EV's too, meaning that when you take into account the current incentives it becomes a much closer proposition than it might first look.
It’s already being drawn up I’ve seen 3 scenarios my friend is working on for the gubberment
Good luck with your free car charging and tax. make the most of it before the big change comes and you have to pull down your trousers yet again
loose cannon said:
And then once everyone is in, the gubberment will imply 60% electricity tax to make up the shortfall of petroleum tax and then add to that the parked up tax that will replace ved,
That is inevitable - there is no doubt about it. HMRC will want their pound of flesh and if it doesn't come from fuel duty it will go on something else. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
Yep. I agree. As an aside, I think it is likely car manufacturers will find that to make autonomous driving work 'properly' (rather than just being fancy active cruise control), we are going to need an upgrade to the road system. So I think we could see stretches of the road network being converted to genuinely smart roads helping to facilitate proper autonomous driving. That might be a good time to introduce the concept of road pricing as our politicians love a little smoke and mirrors Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff