45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[Halb]

If the real crazies in the senate go for this, then it might be good news for the mid-terms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39809168

Since real grass roots reactions at town hall meetings could erupt across the country.

[unrepentant]

coyft said:

Major victory for Trump as House Republicans pass bill to repeal Obamacare.

Won't past the Senate. Pyrrhic victory at best that hopefully at least 25 GOP congressmen will regret bitterly next year.

Fascinating article here. I heard the author on the radio earlier. If the Dems take the house back next year we could have a lot of impeachment based fun in 2019.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/magaz...

[rscott]

coyft said:

Mr Tracy said:

swamp drained

You still sucking up FakeNews??

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/86019513677...

What's fake about it? There was an exemption in the original Bill, later amended to remove it. Why on earth was is there in the first place?

[unrepentant]

If John Ossoff wins on June 20 the congressional republicans will 5hit themselves big time. Even though this bill will be filleted and dumped on in the senate (which will then make it unacceptable for right wing congressional republicans) all those smug old white guys who voted for it today are going to have it rammed down their throats next year.

The games just begun.

[jmorgan]

rscott said:

coyft said:

Mr Tracy said:

swamp drained

You still sucking up FakeNews??

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/86019513677...

What's fake about it? There was an exemption in the original Bill, later amended to remove it. Why on earth was is there in the first place?

Last minute amendment apparently? What time was the tweet in relation to the bill getting amended?

Edit. Piccy edited out.

[ukaskew]

Hard to know what to believe these days, but is it correct that rape is defined as a pre-existing medical condition under the bill and thus victims will be denied related treatment?

[Countdown]

unrepentant said:

Won't past the Senate. Pyrrhic victory at best that hopefully at least 25 GOP congressmen will regret bitterly next year.

Won't happen and doesn't matter. In Trumpoworld it's a huge, massive, great victory for Trump. they tried to stop him and he beat them all. And it's a great plan, really great. it's what the American people voted for. We're gonna make America great again folks. we're gonna have better cheaper healthcare for Everybody.

[Some people might argue that most of the above is bullst. But it's the same brand of bullst that got him elected, and will continue to keep his core support high. And will probably get him re-elected]

ps what's he done that he could get impeached for?

[jmorgan]

I guess the bill (if and when it is passed) will play out and that is when you find out how the insurance company lawyers will play the rules.

Whenever I have been to the US, I have always made sure I buy cast iron guarantee insurance cover that will get me home as soon as possible should it be required. Always bemused at some who hope.

[unrepentant]

ukaskew said:

Hard to know what to believe these days, but is it correct that rape is defined as a pre-existing medical condition under the bill and thus victims will be denied related treatment?

Yep. Sexual assault, post natal depression and a whole host of other things were considered PEC's in many states before the ACA and could be again if this aberration were to become law.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/05/0...

[grumbledoak]

ukaskew said:

Hard to know what to believe these days, but is it correct that rape is defined as a pre-existing medical condition under the bill and thus victims will be denied related treatment?

No.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...

[minimoog]

grumbledoak said:

ukaskew said:

Hard to know what to believe these days, but is it correct that rape is defined as a pre-existing medical condition under the bill and thus victims will be denied related treatment?

No.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...

That article mostly discusses whether a person can be denied coverage due to their 'health status' i.e. medical history. It's a lot more vague on whether their insurance premiums might increase due to e.g. rape. Most of the commentary I've seen on this issue (admittedly mostly Twitter-sourced) refers to prohibitively expensive increases in insurance premiums due to such history, not outright denial of coverage.

As I understand it, if a woman is raped and seeks medical attention as a result, those medical records can/will be taken into account by the insurers when setting her premiums. If true this is of course a disincentive to report and get treatment for the rape. The article seems to suggest this is unlikely to happen due to existing state laws, but again the wording suggests these mostly pertain to denial of coverage. Picking the bones out of it the article seems to acknowledge (without actually stating it) that millions could be vulnerable to just such an premium hike. The existing AHA specifically bans such factors affecting premiums, Trumpcare opens the door for the insurers to discriminate - why would it do that do you think?

I'm up for being corrected on any of that, but it's sounds both plausible and horrific.

Edited by minimoog on Saturday 6th May 10:05

[rscott]

grumbledoak said:

ukaskew said:

Hard to know what to believe these days, but is it correct that rape is defined as a pre-existing medical condition under the bill and thus victims will be denied related treatment?

No.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...

However any medical conditions which where due to to the rape - from long term injuries to sexually transmitted diseases and even unwanted pregnancies - can be classed as pre existing conditions and used to affect the cost of insurance.
The ACA had many faults, but at least ensured that couldn't happen.

[Efbe]

Well thank fk we live in a first world country with a national health service

It's conversations like this, and guns/murder rate/crime rate that makes me feel very sorry for America.

[jmorgan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/world/asia/jare...

Hocking off Manhattan and you get a free visa to go to America.

[Halb]

unrepentant said:

If John Ossoff wins on June 20 the congressional republicans will 5hit themselves big time. Even though this bill will be filleted and dumped on in the senate (which will then make it unacceptable for right wing congressional republicans) all those smug old white guys who voted for it today are going to have it rammed down their throats next year.

The games just begun.

Wins what?

[unrepentant]

Halb said:

unrepentant said:

If John Ossoff wins on June 20 the congressional republicans will 5hit themselves big time. Even though this bill will be filleted and dumped on in the senate (which will then make it unacceptable for right wing congressional republicans) all those smug old white guys who voted for it today are going to have it rammed down their throats next year.

The games just begun.

Wins what?

Seriously?

Special election in the Georgia 6th congressional seat. Newt's old seat vacated when Tom Price moved to HHS. One of the safest republican seats, now considered a toss up. Ossoff shouldn't stand a chance. If he were to win or even be narrowly beaten there will be panic amongst republicans in the house.

[Gandahar]

unrepentant said:

Halb said:

unrepentant said:

If John Ossoff wins on June 20 the congressional republicans will 5hit themselves big time. Even though this bill will be filleted and dumped on in the senate (which will then make it unacceptable for right wing congressional republicans) all those smug old white guys who voted for it today are going to have it rammed down their throats next year.

The games just begun.

Wins what?

Seriously?

Special election in the Georgia 6th congressional seat. Newt's old seat vacated when Tom Price moved to HHS. One of the safest republican seats, now considered a toss up. Ossoff shouldn't stand a chance. If he were to win or even be narrowly beaten there will be panic amongst republicans in the house.

He will likely be beaten as the 2nd round goes to more one against one rather than him and large backing v a lot of GOPs.

There's an awful lot of money being spent on this just to say " I told you so" from both sides. Not sure in the long run whether it will carry too much weight as really it is the first protest vote against Donald.

They are throwing a whole lot of money at it though, from both sides.

[Halb]

unrepentant said:

Seriously?

Special election in the Georgia 6th congressional seat. Newt's old seat vacated when Tom Price moved to HHS. One of the safest republican seats, now considered a toss up. Ossoff shouldn't stand a chance. If he were to win or even be narrowly beaten there will be panic amongst republicans in the house.

Yes seriously, otherwise I wouldn't ask.

[jmorgan]

Today then, for some possibly interesting testimony. Or not.

[JagLover]

Found this a very amusing opinion poll.

Yes Trump is very unpopular by historic standards and yet if the election were rerun today 43% would vote for him.....but only 40% would vote for Clinton. So he would still win


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nearing-10...

Maybe next time the Democratic party will find a more enticing candidate than HC.