45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
Eric Mc said:
If ANYBODY had stood against Trump - other than Hilary Clinton - it's doubtful he would have won. She lost it - he didn't win it.
Of course, his massive ego fails to see that.
Even if he survives in office, his Presidency is already dead in the water.
As a neutral in all of this I still haven't seen anything stick despite the Democrats throwing everything including the Kitchen sink. The problem now being people just see this as background noise and he keeps on doing what he has been doing.Of course, his massive ego fails to see that.
Even if he survives in office, his Presidency is already dead in the water.
The Democrats will have nothing left to throw soon then what .
It'll take a while to prove anything and they will have to work up to Trump. I dont think they have been very smart at covering tracks so hopefully there is enough solid evidence.
Even then its going to have to be something shocking enough and damaging enough to the GoP that they drop Trump and get the 2/3rds majority.
Otherwise its years until the house changes over.
Even then its going to have to be something shocking enough and damaging enough to the GoP that they drop Trump and get the 2/3rds majority.
Otherwise its years until the house changes over.
It took 2.5 years from the commencement of allegations to the resignation of Richard Nixon.
Trump has barely made 4 months so far. There is plenty of time and plenty of opportunity for the multiple allegations against the regime to bring about his leaving the White House.
Even if that doesn't happen, the Presidency of D Trump is effectively paralysed and relationships with other important countries more or less destroyed.
I have never seen such a disaatrous and destructive Presidency, ever.
Trump has barely made 4 months so far. There is plenty of time and plenty of opportunity for the multiple allegations against the regime to bring about his leaving the White House.
Even if that doesn't happen, the Presidency of D Trump is effectively paralysed and relationships with other important countries more or less destroyed.
I have never seen such a disaatrous and destructive Presidency, ever.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/politics/emmanuel-ma...
So Macron's white knuckle handshake was a deliberate gesture!
So Macron's white knuckle handshake was a deliberate gesture!
coyft said:
What is he supposed to have done? Told Russia to hack Podesta's email account and given them his passwords?
The whole thing is ridiculous the DMC and the media are behaving appallingly. If he's that bad, give him enough rope he'll hang himself. In the meantime I wished they'd all just STFU.
For a start it would be good if he stopped thinking he was the CEO of America. The whole thing is ridiculous the DMC and the media are behaving appallingly. If he's that bad, give him enough rope he'll hang himself. In the meantime I wished they'd all just STFU.
coyft said:
The whole thing is ridiculous the DMC and the media are behaving appallingly. If he's that bad, give him enough rope he'll hang himself. In the meantime I wished they'd all just STFU.
Don't you think that "the media" has a duty to report what they find?Maybe Trumpites would like to silence open reporting. It does seem to fit the profile of the incumbent President and his entourage.
I want MORE reporting, not less.
jmorgan said:
The stage was set with the press when Trump started to needle them. That was never going to end well. And to do that with papers that saw the demise of another President. His prejudices are not doing him any favours.
Whilst I take the point, I imagine they'd have been interested even if her were Mother Theresa but had been sniffing round the Russians. And I'm sure he's been sniffing round the Russians. Mr. Grimnasty, give it up mate. This site cant take much more wrong from you.
coyft said:
Why? He's a businessman, he campaigned on that platform.
Perhaps you'd prefer a moral campaigner who likes to stomp around the world invading countries?
Yes he did - and people should have known that running businesses (mostly badly, in his case) is no qualification for being President of the USA.Perhaps you'd prefer a moral campaigner who likes to stomp around the world invading countries?
Anyway, the American people are gradually learning what a charlatan, fraudster and snake-oil salesman they have put in the most powerful office in the world. I trust America will do the right thing - eventually. It usually does.
As for Trump ordering invasions - give him time (if he survives in office long enough).
Eddie Strohacker said:
jmorgan said:
The stage was set with the press when Trump started to needle them. That was never going to end well. And to do that with papers that saw the demise of another President. His prejudices are not doing him any favours.
Whilst I take the point, I imagine they'd have been interested even if her were Mother Theresa but had been sniffing round the Russians. And I'm sure he's been sniffing round the Russians. Mr. Grimnasty, give it up mate. This site can't take much more wrong from you.
Thing is at the moment. There are a lot of rumours, some denied, some come to light as true then the denied is replaced by "didn't think that needed telling" etc. etc. Trump was certainly after backing during the crash a few years ago and a comment from another big money fella on Trumps attitude perhaps lends light on he will take whatever from where ever, who know yet. The Russians play a long game and cultivate as they can. I expect any spy agency to do the same, it is the nature of the game. So the possibility is not without merit whether it was intentional or unintentional.
Of course that is an assumption so far, however there are an awful lot of assumptions coming to light.
coyft said:
Why? He's a businessman, he campaigned on that platform.
Perhaps you'd prefer a moral campaigner who likes to stomp around the world invading countries?
Why? Because the office of President is nothing like the office of CEO. Something Trump doesn't seem to understand even now. Perhaps you'd prefer a moral campaigner who likes to stomp around the world invading countries?
BIANCO said:
The American people trust the MSM less then ever and are trusting them less and less everyday. It's not Trump that's hanging himself it's them.
I don't know many Americans nor have I asked them all personally what they think. Is this a fact or another "fake news" smear?They reported Flynn as an issue, that turned out to be real. Son in Law seems to be under a cloud, Sessions has forgotten to tell a few facts,
Trump is now saying many leaks are fabricated by the press. Interesting tack. He gets home, his staffers say they cannot find the offender so the obvious is....
And son in law now coming to light for a secret back channel to Russia that has Clapper concerned. Clapper does say there is no evidence that he is willing to discuss. Kelly says there is nothing wrong with that idea in general. Smoothing the waters?
I think the press are being self restrained at the moment.
The tittle tattle stuff I kind of agree with. I groan each time a story appears about Trump not using an ear piece or Spicer hiding in the bushes. That stuff is counter productive twaddle that does nothing for anyone.
However, where Bianco is wrong is the assertion that that stuff is the core of the news agenda. Its not, anyone on even passing acquaintance with reality can see that. As J Morgan points out, Flynn may have hung himself, but the media led him to the gallows & rightly so. I agree there is a fake news problem, the problem being it's all coming from the President.
He's demonstrably not fit to wear the shirt, to coin a phrase. The difficulty will be in proving it to the satisfaction of the Congress & the Senate.
However, where Bianco is wrong is the assertion that that stuff is the core of the news agenda. Its not, anyone on even passing acquaintance with reality can see that. As J Morgan points out, Flynn may have hung himself, but the media led him to the gallows & rightly so. I agree there is a fake news problem, the problem being it's all coming from the President.
He's demonstrably not fit to wear the shirt, to coin a phrase. The difficulty will be in proving it to the satisfaction of the Congress & the Senate.
coyft said:
What is he supposed to have done? Told Russia to hack Podesta's email account and given them his passwords?
I guess we'll find out one way or the other eventually...Article said:
An undertaking of this size and scope has never happened in NSA’s 65-year history. Although preservation orders have been issued previously, never has the entire DO been told to search all its databases for SIGINT on named individuals, then preserve anything that’s discovered. KremlinGate is a unique event in our nation’s history, with accusations of nefarious meddling by hostile intelligence agencies in our democracy, and it’s bringing about unprecedented developments in our spy agencies too.
Given the complex nature of SIGINT—such a DO preservation order will require thousands of analysts to reexamine at least hundreds of thousands of intercepted communications—it seems likely that some relevant information will be uncovered. Although the public may not learn of new evidence anytime soon, we can rest assured that anything pertinent to the KremlinGate inquiry will be shared with the FBI and Bob Mueller’s investigators without delay.
http://observer.com/2017/05/mike-rogers-nsa-issues...Given the complex nature of SIGINT—such a DO preservation order will require thousands of analysts to reexamine at least hundreds of thousands of intercepted communications—it seems likely that some relevant information will be uncovered. Although the public may not learn of new evidence anytime soon, we can rest assured that anything pertinent to the KremlinGate inquiry will be shared with the FBI and Bob Mueller’s investigators without delay.
BIANCO said:
They have a duty to report facts and the news not every minor rumour and speculation and blow it all out of proportion to suit their agenda. They are showing themselves to be exactly the dishonest conniving snakes many have known them to be for a long time.
The American people trust the MSM less then ever and are trusting them less and less everyday. It's not Trump that's hanging himself it's them.
They have the absolute right to expres opinions and I am glad for that - even if I don't agree with all the opinions I hear.The American people trust the MSM less then ever and are trusting them less and less everyday. It's not Trump that's hanging himself it's them.
That's freedom for you.
The last thing I want is the media being silenced - which is what a lot of the Trumpers would like to see.
That is the beginning of the end.
coyft said:
Eric Mc said:
They have the absolute right to expres opinions and I am glad for that - even if I don't agree with all the opinions I hear.
That's freedom for you.
The last thing I want is the media being silenced - which is what a lot of the Trumpers would like to see.
That is the beginning of the end.
I don't want to silence anyone, but let's not pretend they are news channels with serious reporters.That's freedom for you.
The last thing I want is the media being silenced - which is what a lot of the Trumpers would like to see.
That is the beginning of the end.
They are agenda driven, entertainment channels, pretending to report news.
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