45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
laserservo said:
grumbledoak said:
Only on a thread this full of "right" could those two opposing views both be "right"! 
FWIW I just think Trump makes his own decisions. Independent people don't bias all their decisions one way. It only appears as "baffling" as it does because this thread is such a limp-wristed echo chamber(*).
* p.p, 5o
There's plenty of logical scope for both being true, at various times e.g.they are failing to deal with him & he is unpredictable, sometimes even manipulable FWIW I just think Trump makes his own decisions. Independent people don't bias all their decisions one way. It only appears as "baffling" as it does because this thread is such a limp-wristed echo chamber(*).
* p.p, 5o
When dealing with a group of countries, who have a joint organisation, you have the opportunity to play good cop bad cop wth him.
It certainly appears as though the EU states are playing bad cop, humiliation cop with him. This just won't work. (and obviously isn't)
Eric Mc said:
They aren't used to having to talk to babies. They assume world leaders are mature, intelligent adults. Obviously a fatal mistake when dealing with Trump.
quite honestly, no.There are and have always been plenty of pathetic useless, childish leaders out there.
Personalities get elected, egos make leaders. It seems to often be human nature.
Though I admit he does push the boundaries on these.
I didn't say we haven't had childish and unpredictable leaders before. There have always been people like that. It's just that the current leaders of the Western democracies have never encountered somebody of that ilk as leader of the United States.
They just don't know how to handle him. In fact, nobody does - not even his own team. He keeps wrong footing the people around him, let alone those he encounters abroad.
They just don't know how to handle him. In fact, nobody does - not even his own team. He keeps wrong footing the people around him, let alone those he encounters abroad.
Here's what the thread Trump haters have been waiting for - Maxine Waters Reveals Proof Trump is Russian Agent!
https://youtu.be/UW0IvzVIUBs
Serious points - no actual evidence! Only morons are talking about impeachment!
https://youtu.be/UW0IvzVIUBs
Serious points - no actual evidence! Only morons are talking about impeachment!
Most serious people here in America are talking about impeachment. Including many republicans! Subpoena's are flying around like confetti, Comey to testify next week, Kushner drowning in excrement, Flynn one step away from jail, Trump struggling to get anyone of quality to fill WH jobs, Eric's school chum Epshteyn now under investigation, Trump's lawyer Cohen has now reluctantly agreed to testify (after subpoena), Mueller moving fast by all accounts and today hired prominent fraud and financial corruption specialists. He knows that following the money is the key to this and is what will being them all down. Russia owns Trump, owns Kushner and controls many of the characters involved in this White House.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Here's what the thread Trump haters have been waiting for - Maxine Waters Reveals Proof Trump is Russian Agent!
https://youtu.be/UW0IvzVIUBs
Serious points - no actual evidence! Only morons are talking about impeachment!
Do you post on in here in the hopes that Trump might see it and give you a hotel or be your boyfriend or something? You're like a political White Knight... https://youtu.be/UW0IvzVIUBs
Serious points - no actual evidence! Only morons are talking about impeachment!
p1stonhead said:
Alternative plan?
Doing nothing is better then wasting time, resources and effort on something ineffectual (those resources could be put aside for adaptation). Start a global movement for improving air quality (ironically will increase global warming due less aerosols in the atmosphere) but should reduce the black carbon enhancing the polar ice melt. Allow coal and especially gas generated electricity to replace dung and wood burning for cooking and heat. Cheap energy has saved more lives than global warming will ever kill. laserservo said:
Disastrous said:
Do you post on in here in the hopes that Trump might see it and give you a hotel or be your boyfriend or something? You're like a political White Knight...
you sound envious..I mean, I know what you were aiming for, but it's not really worked there, has it?
In the modern world, events happen, and we expect them to happen, at a very fast pace.
The move towards a possible impeachment of Trump is definitely there - although how fast this happens is unknown at the moment. As I said earlier, in the Nixon/Watergate era, it took 2.5 years from the initial breaking of the Watergate story to the move to impeach Nixon. He actually wasn't impeached in the end because he stepped down. I remember watching the live TV broadcast of the event at the time. It was carried by British and Irish TV news in the early hours of the morning. I stayed up to watch it - it was such an important event.
At the moment we are only a few months into the Trump Presidency. There is ample time for any incriminatory evidence against the President and his regime to be gathered. We are only at the start of this process at the moment.. There is plenty of time for events to unfold.
I'm waiting to see and hear what Flynn has to say as he scrambles to save his own neck. There may well be other characters in the cast who decide at some point that spilling the beans may be their best bet for survival or avoiding imprisonment. Although he is looked on as a hero from the Watergate affair, John Dean, who was Nixon's legal advisor, decided to tell all in an effort to avoid jail (it didn't work). Eventually, some individuals crack and I am sure that this will happen.
Keep an eye on the list of people who get fired or excluded from the President's inner circle. That's where the "canaries" will come from. The list is gradually growing as we speak.
The king is usually not killed by his enemies, but by his courtiers.
The move towards a possible impeachment of Trump is definitely there - although how fast this happens is unknown at the moment. As I said earlier, in the Nixon/Watergate era, it took 2.5 years from the initial breaking of the Watergate story to the move to impeach Nixon. He actually wasn't impeached in the end because he stepped down. I remember watching the live TV broadcast of the event at the time. It was carried by British and Irish TV news in the early hours of the morning. I stayed up to watch it - it was such an important event.
At the moment we are only a few months into the Trump Presidency. There is ample time for any incriminatory evidence against the President and his regime to be gathered. We are only at the start of this process at the moment.. There is plenty of time for events to unfold.
I'm waiting to see and hear what Flynn has to say as he scrambles to save his own neck. There may well be other characters in the cast who decide at some point that spilling the beans may be their best bet for survival or avoiding imprisonment. Although he is looked on as a hero from the Watergate affair, John Dean, who was Nixon's legal advisor, decided to tell all in an effort to avoid jail (it didn't work). Eventually, some individuals crack and I am sure that this will happen.
Keep an eye on the list of people who get fired or excluded from the President's inner circle. That's where the "canaries" will come from. The list is gradually growing as we speak.
The king is usually not killed by his enemies, but by his courtiers.
Eric Mc said:
In the modern world, events happen, and we expect them to happen, at a very fast pace.
The move towards a possible impeachment of Trump is definitely there - although how fast this happens is unknown at the moment. As I said earlier, in the Nixon/Watergate era, it took 2.5 years from the initial breaking of the Watergate story to the move to impeach Nixon. He actually wasn't impeached in the end because he stepped down. I remember watching the live TV broadcast of the event at the time. It was carried by British and Irish TV news in the early hours of the morning. I stayed up to watch it - it was such an important event.
At the moment we are only a few months into the Trump Presidency. There is ample time for any incriminatory evidence against the President and his regime to be gathered. We are only at the start of this process at the moment.. There is plenty of time for events to unfold.
I'm waiting to see and hear what Flynn has to say as he scrambles to save his own neck. There may well be other characters in the cast who decide at some point that spilling the beans may be their best bet for survival or avoiding imprisonment. Although he is looked on as a hero from the Watergate affair, John Dean, who was Nixon's legal advisor, decided to tell all in an effort to avoid jail (it didn't work). Eventually, some individuals crack and I am sure that this will happen.
Keep an eye on the list of people who get fired or excluded from the President's inner circle. That's where the "canaries" will come from. The list is gradually growing as we speak.
The king is usually not killed by his enemies, but by his courtiers.
Nobody is suggesting it will be quick although I suspect it's unravelling faster than many predicted. I completely agree, the killer evidence will probably come from those in Trump's circle scrambling to save their own necks. The move towards a possible impeachment of Trump is definitely there - although how fast this happens is unknown at the moment. As I said earlier, in the Nixon/Watergate era, it took 2.5 years from the initial breaking of the Watergate story to the move to impeach Nixon. He actually wasn't impeached in the end because he stepped down. I remember watching the live TV broadcast of the event at the time. It was carried by British and Irish TV news in the early hours of the morning. I stayed up to watch it - it was such an important event.
At the moment we are only a few months into the Trump Presidency. There is ample time for any incriminatory evidence against the President and his regime to be gathered. We are only at the start of this process at the moment.. There is plenty of time for events to unfold.
I'm waiting to see and hear what Flynn has to say as he scrambles to save his own neck. There may well be other characters in the cast who decide at some point that spilling the beans may be their best bet for survival or avoiding imprisonment. Although he is looked on as a hero from the Watergate affair, John Dean, who was Nixon's legal advisor, decided to tell all in an effort to avoid jail (it didn't work). Eventually, some individuals crack and I am sure that this will happen.
Keep an eye on the list of people who get fired or excluded from the President's inner circle. That's where the "canaries" will come from. The list is gradually growing as we speak.
The king is usually not killed by his enemies, but by his courtiers.
Bill said:
Love the balance: He hasn't achieved much, but it's only been a few months Vs he hasn't been impeached, why are they taking so long if it's inevitable.
Because it takes time to gather evidence.And a lot of the evidence will be supplied through testimonies which are going to be happening over the next few weeks and months. The law is patient. In fact, it's much better to proceed slowly and methodically rather than go off half cocked.
Slowly, slowly, catchee Trumpee.
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