45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
WestyCarl said:
The first global agreement (except 2 countries) on climate change does nothing 
And yes, I do know that each country sets it own targets and timescales, etc,etc, however to get a global agreement on such a decisive subject which is then audited and verified is what I'd consider a good start.
Still, as the leader of the free world the USA could also say "f
k it" just to take some heat away from the cluster fk he is preceding over.
You obviously haven't read it or understood the impacts. And yes, I do know that each country sets it own targets and timescales, etc,etc, however to get a global agreement on such a decisive subject which is then audited and verified is what I'd consider a good start.
Still, as the leader of the free world the USA could also say "f
k it" just to take some heat away from the cluster fk he is preceding over.Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
The Crack Fox said:
TTmonkey said:
China can continue building coal power stations, and trump is jealous of this as he wants to resurrect the dying American coal mining industry. Actually wants to pollute that planet in order to create some jobs.
Surely no one in america wants the kind of air quality seen in parts of china?
The air quality in New York is horrendous, not quite as bad a China, but really, really bad. The man is oblivious to it all. He's mental.Surely no one in america wants the kind of air quality seen in parts of china?
Jinx said:
You obviously haven't read it or understood the impacts.
Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
OK, you're right and the whole world (except all but Syria and Nicaragua) is wrong Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
So why wouldn't you sign?
Jinx said:
You obviously haven't read it or understood the impacts.
Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
If Trump pulled out because he thought Paris didn't go far enough, you'd have a point. Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
But you don't.
Greg66 said:
Jinx said:
You obviously haven't read it or understood the impacts.
Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
If Trump pulled out because he thought Paris didn't go far enough, you'd have a point. Have a read http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-58... and tell me again why anyone would sign up to the Paris accords if they want to stop climate change.
But you don't.
Edited by Jinx on Friday 2nd June 10:38
Welll he has done the only thing that I wanted him in power do do which is to shake up the whole Climate Change circus.
Hopefully his officials will now seek to justify the action and in doing so use will reopen the debate as what is man made climate change, if it exists, and if it does exist, what we can do to mitigate it.
Time for real science rather than fake science.
Cheers,
Tony
Hopefully his officials will now seek to justify the action and in doing so use will reopen the debate as what is man made climate change, if it exists, and if it does exist, what we can do to mitigate it.
Time for real science rather than fake science.
Cheers,
Tony
Tony427 said:
Welll he has done the only thing that I wanted him in power do do which is to shake up the whole Climate Change circus.
Hopefully his officials will now seek to justify the action and in doing so use will reopen the debate as what is man made climate change, if it exists, and if it does exist, what we can do to mitigate it.
Time for real science rather than fake science.
Cheers,
Tony
Your faith in Trump's adherence to science may be misplaced. For example, do you know his views on physical exercise? It's bad for you. Because the human body - according to Trump - has a finite store of energy that lasts a lifetime. The faster you use it, the sooner you die. Hopefully his officials will now seek to justify the action and in doing so use will reopen the debate as what is man made climate change, if it exists, and if it does exist, what we can do to mitigate it.
Time for real science rather than fake science.
Cheers,
Tony
That's his idea of "science". Along with climate change being a conspiracy dreamt up by the Chinese (whatever one's views on climate change, this is nuttier than squirrel s
t).His motivation for withdrawing from Paris has nothing to do with re-opening scientific endeavour. It's (a) to boost US coal and oil industries; (b) becuase he doesn't believe in climate mumbo jumbo (so we'll be having none of that science malarky intervening in a settled debate, thank you very much) and (c) to s
t on something else Obama did. Greg66 said:
Your faith in Trump's adherence to science may be misplaced. For example, do you know his views on physical exercise? It's bad for you. Because the human body - according to Trump - has a finite store of energy that lasts a lifetime. The faster you use it, the sooner you die.
That's his idea of "science". Along with climate change being a conspiracy dreamt up by the Chinese (whatever one's views on climate change, this is nuttier than squirrel st).
His motivation for withdrawing from Paris has nothing to do with re-opening scientific endeavour. It's (a) to boost US coal and oil industries; (b) becuase he doesn't believe in climate mumbo jumbo (so we'll be having none of that science malarky intervening in a settled debate, thank you very much) and (c) to st on something else Obama did.
Pretty sums it up. He is just bowing to his voter base.That's his idea of "science". Along with climate change being a conspiracy dreamt up by the Chinese (whatever one's views on climate change, this is nuttier than squirrel s
t).His motivation for withdrawing from Paris has nothing to do with re-opening scientific endeavour. It's (a) to boost US coal and oil industries; (b) becuase he doesn't believe in climate mumbo jumbo (so we'll be having none of that science malarky intervening in a settled debate, thank you very much) and (c) to s
t on something else Obama did. glazbagun said:
Why did Trump say that the Paris Agreement gave China an unfair advantage over the US? I'd have thought that America would find it easier to wean itself off coal than China, Brazil or India.
Because a deal was done with China to take part of the agreement without taking part, it was convenient for them to say they were cutting back in coal fired power stations, where the truth is they had no need to build as many as they had been.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China
2017 record electricity production from coal in China, remember electricity produced from coal is cheep. Cheep electricity gives your manufacturing plants an advantage, especially ones that consume large amounts of it.
The USA is actually currently decreasing CO2 emissions, and the rest of the world's significant emitters are either flat, or mostly rapidly increasing.
'Energiewende' has hit the buffers of reality and Germany CO2 is increasing again - all they've achieved is very expensive electricity and the industrialization of vast amounts of pristine countryside.
If the coal industry experiences a resurgence in the USA (unlikely) it will only be to supply the 100s of stations currently under construction around the world. Coal makes no sense in the USA when gas is far cleaner and abundant.
For all the predictable opprobrium, the Paris agreement would have made mugs out of the USA, UK etc. who play by the rules and keep their word, and allowed China, India etc. a massive economic advantage whilst doing nothing at all to cut CO2 overall. The whole agreement is just a socialist a global wealth redistribution pact masquerading as a concern for the environment - which is why so many countries were persuaded to sign up for a share of the pot. In his last days Obama stole 2 tranches of $500M by executive authority (despite some believing it was illegal) and gave it to the UN.
Even outside the Paris accord it is highly likely the USA will continue to cut CO2 emissions. Even if you believe CO2 is a problem, even if the USA remains static, this 'failure', MIT has calculated, will not make a difference to global temperatures that is discernible - i.e, less than the margin of error.
The finger pointing at Florida/rising seas and California droughts/floods shows just how dishonest the climate change proponents are - the science shows that these have nothing whatsoever to do with CO2 induced global climate change - they are entirely due to pre-existing natural trends and cycles.
Statements about people dying because Trump has withdrawn from Paris - it's not just a lie, it is mental.
'Energiewende' has hit the buffers of reality and Germany CO2 is increasing again - all they've achieved is very expensive electricity and the industrialization of vast amounts of pristine countryside.
If the coal industry experiences a resurgence in the USA (unlikely) it will only be to supply the 100s of stations currently under construction around the world. Coal makes no sense in the USA when gas is far cleaner and abundant.
For all the predictable opprobrium, the Paris agreement would have made mugs out of the USA, UK etc. who play by the rules and keep their word, and allowed China, India etc. a massive economic advantage whilst doing nothing at all to cut CO2 overall. The whole agreement is just a socialist a global wealth redistribution pact masquerading as a concern for the environment - which is why so many countries were persuaded to sign up for a share of the pot. In his last days Obama stole 2 tranches of $500M by executive authority (despite some believing it was illegal) and gave it to the UN.
Even outside the Paris accord it is highly likely the USA will continue to cut CO2 emissions. Even if you believe CO2 is a problem, even if the USA remains static, this 'failure', MIT has calculated, will not make a difference to global temperatures that is discernible - i.e, less than the margin of error.
The finger pointing at Florida/rising seas and California droughts/floods shows just how dishonest the climate change proponents are - the science shows that these have nothing whatsoever to do with CO2 induced global climate change - they are entirely due to pre-existing natural trends and cycles.
Statements about people dying because Trump has withdrawn from Paris - it's not just a lie, it is mental.
PRTVR said:
Because a deal was done with China to take part of the agreement without taking part, it was convenient for them to say they were cutting back in coal fired power stations, where the truth is they had no need to build as many as they had been.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China
2017 record electricity production from coal in China, remember electricity produced from coal is cheep. Cheep electricity gives your manufacturing plants an advantage, especially ones that consume large amounts of it.
And they need all that power to make all the American's stuff.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China
2017 record electricity production from coal in China, remember electricity produced from coal is cheep. Cheep electricity gives your manufacturing plants an advantage, especially ones that consume large amounts of it.
Anyone remember Spitting Image's Ronald Reagan saga "The President's Brain is missing!"
https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-s...
"Johnson cautioned that language can deteriorate for other reasons. “His language difficulties could be due to the immense pressure he’s under, or to annoyance that things aren’t going right and that there are all these scandals,” he said. “It could also be due to a neurodegenerative disease or the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging.” Trump will be 71 next month."
https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-s...
"Johnson cautioned that language can deteriorate for other reasons. “His language difficulties could be due to the immense pressure he’s under, or to annoyance that things aren’t going right and that there are all these scandals,” he said. “It could also be due to a neurodegenerative disease or the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging.” Trump will be 71 next month."
jet_noise said:
The Crack Fox said:
TTmonkey said:
China can continue building coal power stations, and trump is jealous of this as he wants to resurrect the dying American coal mining industry. Actually wants to pollute that planet in order to create some jobs.
Surely no one in america wants the kind of air quality seen in parts of china?
The air quality in New York is horrendous, not quite as bad a China, but really, really bad. The man is oblivious to it all. He's mental.Surely no one in america wants the kind of air quality seen in parts of china?
Yipper said:
Lol. All the green fundamentalists doing their nut.
Bit of a storm in a teacup. Trump is obviously going to renegotiate and reenter. He wants a better deal, because the accord is tilted against America. Which is fair enough.
Of course. It's easy to forget what a shrewd and canny operator he is sometimes, what with all the shrewd and canny operating he doesn't tell us about. Bit of a rare gem - smart AND modest.Bit of a storm in a teacup. Trump is obviously going to renegotiate and reenter. He wants a better deal, because the accord is tilted against America. Which is fair enough.
Yipper said:
Lol. All the green fundamentalists doing their nut.
Bit of a storm in a teacup. Trump is obviously going to renegotiate and reenter. He wants a better deal, because the accord is tilted against America. Which is fair enough.
Unless he gets a second term the US won't leave until he is packing the cardboard boxes and clearing out of the oval office, ain't going to leave him much time to renegotiate.Bit of a storm in a teacup. Trump is obviously going to renegotiate and reenter. He wants a better deal, because the accord is tilted against America. Which is fair enough.
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