45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[rscott]

Byker28i said:

minimoog said:

Speaking of fake news...

This Time magazine cover adorns the walls at at least 4 of Trump's golf clubs.



“Donald Trump: The ‘Apprentice’ is a television smash!” Above the Time nameplate, another headline in all caps: “TRUMP IS HITTING ON ALL FRONTS .?.?. EVEN TV!”

Good stuff eh?

Just one teensy problem - it's a complete fake. There never was any such Time cover. It's a total fabrication, put there to expressly to con his guests. Another pack of lies from the Lord of the Lies himself.

I've seen some sorry-ass st in my time but this is right up there. What a dick.

Just how screwed up was his upbringing with this constant need for approval. Did his parents abandon him, not show him any love? It's a constant need for approval from everyone, biggest crowd, most votes, love me, love me...


No wonder he said he was on the cover of Time magazine more than anyone else, he was counting all his fake copies.

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 28th June 08:12

And Time magazine aren't happy! http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339741-...

[jmorgan]

Countdown said:

Letting people pollute water is a "success".....?

Referring to the issue with CNN and the calls of Fake News. If they report on this then the Trump will label it as such.

I cannot claim to know enough about this water issue without first going for a read. On the face of it, it seems that water quality control was used to control mining operations or any other operation that allowed unclean water back into natural water courses or the ground where it could contaminate ground water. I expect the corporations that mine (and other such operation) spun Mr T a good line and it fits his narrative as he hates anything Obama did.

When I was a nipper, walking to school past a river that had a paper mill on it, some mornings it would be blue or red as their was an "accidental" release. Closed mines are a constant source of concern so I do not see it as a minor issue. Cornwall still has a huge legacy that is being managed I think? The US is on a far greater scale.

[vonuber]

In operation and legacy discharge from mining is a huge environmental issue, and difficult and costly to manage and reduce. Cleaning water is a bugger at the best of times as it is without the crap from mining. Obviously we need to mine but it can be done in a manner that isn't that detrimental, it just costs.

It's not surprising there is pressure to water (ho ho) it down, can't affect the bottom line. Afterall, it's only water, and who needs that?

[jmorgan]

Seem to remember a mine that was messing up the Fal somewhat made the news some years ago. Big operation to sort it, not sure what the outcome is.

Edit.

Here we go.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26573994

Edited by jmorgan on Wednesday 28th June 09:16

[Countdown]

grumbledoak said:

It doesn't sound like it was about pollution. Just control.

The 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Stopping people from polluting usually requires some "control".

grumbledoak said:

The courts had held it up for two years pre-The Donald.

But I suspect you know that.

Yes, and so what? They've basically cancelled the legislation. It looks like farmers will be very pleased. I wonder why that is?

[Eric Mc]

Interesting insights from someone who has been writing about Trump for over 30 years -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KI_2X2Sfs

[GroundEffect]

BIANCO said:

unrepentant said:

BIANCO said:

I agree the trump administration has been constantly doing daft things. But it doesn't matter now the media have blown so many non stories out of all proportion. Any genuine story's are now being ignored.

What utter crap. Do you have even the slightest clue about what you write?

The exposure of the Trump debacle of a government is being reported and digested by everyone here 24/7. Nothing is ignored.

If you don't understand what I'm getting at then I can't help you. The boy who cryed wolf is story meant to explain the principle to kids. If you don't get that then well what can I say?
But just because you and few others on here are discussing it and believing everything that's written. Doest mean anyone else is.

Completely agree. Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency. I believe he'll now make full term - all the press noises are mainly to keep readership high now...

[Eric Mc]

When you are President you are critically tested all the time.

Whether Trump has passed any early critical tests is highly debatable. But he will face many, many more during his term - however long it lasts.

It's the nature of the job.

[GroundEffect]

Eric Mc said:

When you are President you are critically tested all the time.

Whether Trump has passed any early critical tests is highly debatable. But he will face many, many more during his term - however long it lasts.

It's the nature of the job.

You are - but the stuff the press is jumping up and down about right now just doesn't fking matter. It's all noise - yes some of it is really cringe-worthy and seemingly "unpresidential", but you can't be impeached for that.

[arfursleep]

GroundEffect said:

Eric Mc said:

When you are President you are critically tested all the time.

Whether Trump has passed any early critical tests is highly debatable. But he will face many, many more during his term - however long it lasts.

It's the nature of the job.

You are - but the stuff the press is jumping up and down about right now just doesn't fking matter. It's all noise - yes some of it is really cringe-worthy and seemingly "unpresidential", but you can't be impeached for that.

i was in the US the week Comey was testifying - flicked on TV and took a view at CNN to see what was happening and they had a hr:m:s countdown clock running in the corner of the screen to when his testimony would start...it looked fking ridiculous and my immediate thought was that i just couldn't take that channel seriously anymore.

Flicked over to Fox and Hannity was blaming Obama for his coffee being cold that morning (or some equally spurious st) so turned off TV and went to the bar

[Eric Mc]

It's "unpresidential" because it MAY be illegal and unconstitutional.

The President and his team is under investigation - not by the media - but by Constitutionally appointed organs of the state. Whether the media chooses to report on these investigations is their choice. They have that freedom guaranteed to them, oddly enough, by that very same Constitution.

So - let them get on and do their job. If you or the Donald don't like the angles they are taking, that is down to you and him. If theyare barking up wrong trees - that will come out in the wash eventually and they will have wasted their time.

On the other hand, if they AREN'T barking up wrong trees - then they have a duty to keep burrowing down those rabbit holes (to mix doggy metaphors).

[anonymous-user]

GroundEffect said:

Completely agree. Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency. I believe he'll now make full term - all the press noises are mainly to keep readership high now...

Not sure that is necessarily right. If you're a Dem, you don't want to start impeachment now because (a) you don't have majorities in either house, and so need to bank on Reps voting to impeach as well, and (b) you get >3 years of Pence - plenty of time for Pence to establish himself as Presidential and have a good run at holding the WH in 2020.

The best timing is in the second half of Trump's term. It relies on the Dems wrestling control of the houses in the 2018 midterms. But if successful, it leaves Pence with very little time to establish himself, and leaves him open to the perception of being a caretaker closing out the Republican presidential term.

[minimoog]

GroundEffect said:

Completely agree. Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency. I believe he'll now make full term.

Has anyone ever told you about the large, wide-ranging investigation that is currently ongoing into him and his people's conduct last year and since his inauguration? Something to do with some chap called Mueller I think. That might have a bearing on that prediction, perhaps.

[roachcoach]

GroundEffect said:

yes some of it is really cringe-worthy and seemingly "unpresidential", but you can't be impeached for that.

To be fair, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs when the bar for the US presidents expected behaviour is so low. Personally I expect a high standard from world leaders, but perhaps that is just me.

[Eric Mc]

The impeachment process is poorly understood. It is not a "Legal Process" so the cause for impeachment does not have to be to a "criminal" level of legality.

Good speech here about where Trump stands regarding possible impeachment areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=els1k6qifGU

[unrepentant]

minimoog said:

GroundEffect said:

Completely agree. Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency. I believe he'll now make full term.

Has anyone ever told you about the large, wide-ranging investigation that is currently ongoing into him and his people's conduct last year and since his inauguration? Something to do with some chap called Mueller I think. That might have a bearing on that prediction, perhaps.

Some of the comments here are just laughable. Like "Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency".

He's been in office 6 months and already has a special counsel investigating him for collusion with a hostile foreign government (Treason), obstruction of justice and a whole host of issues relating to conflict of interest and his business and that of his son in law. He's lost key figures already to the Russian scandal and everyone, from him and his VP down has been forced to hire outside counsel to defend them from what they know is coming down the pipe.

Meanwhile he has an approval rating in the toilet and has achieved absolutely nothing. Literally nothing. Last week the republican senate voted 98-2 to increase sanctions on Russia with every republican senator bar Rand Paul voting against the wishes of the president.

[Byker28i]

unrepentant said:

minimoog said:

GroundEffect said:

Completely agree. Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency. I believe he'll now make full term.

Has anyone ever told you about the large, wide-ranging investigation that is currently ongoing into him and his people's conduct last year and since his inauguration? Something to do with some chap called Mueller I think. That might have a bearing on that prediction, perhaps.

Some of the comments here are just laughable. Like "Trump has passed the critical early months of his presidency".

He's been in office 6 months and already has a special counsel investigating him for collusion with a hostile foreign government (Treason), obstruction of justice and a whole host of issues relating to conflict of interest and his business and that of his son in law. He's lost key figures already to the Russian scandal and everyone, from him and his VP down has been forced to hire outside counsel to defend them from what they know is coming down the pipe.

Meanwhile he has an approval rating in the toilet and has achieved absolutely nothing. Literally nothing. Last week the republican senate voted 98-2 to increase sanctions on Russia with every republican senator bar Rand Paul voting against the wishes of the president.

Tell you what, here's an easy way to stop all this and let him get on with the job.

1. Release his taxes. Prove he hasn't dodgy loans from Russia or Russian business. He's said he hasn't so just prove it and move on.
2. Stop the stupid tweets. He has a team to do this for him, act presidential, stop with the stupid tweets and get on with making progress. God knows the US needs it after 5 years of Republican stalling.
3. Actually do something about the hacking instead of denying it. All 17 intelligence agencies said it happened yet the Donald is a denier (rather like Obamas birth certificate?). Accept it happened and move on, create actions to counter it
4. Stop trying to stall the investigations - he's nothing to hide he says. Just ignore it and get on with the job required.

So he can't do any of the above, his taxes will show he was lying again, he can't help himself.
Instead the Donald is constantly seeking attention and approval. Look at me I'm the best mummy.
Then tries to play the blame and bluster game, only he hasn't got more money than the other person to make it all go away as he has before.
On and his job creation scheme for several lawyers, if he's innocent as he says, why so many lawyers for him and his team...
Why does he keep trying to stall the investigation, make it go away,

[anonymous-user]

coyft said:

Or just carry on exactly as he his, connecting with his supporters and winding everyone else up.

Well, yes, because he can mostly do that, whereas he can't govern for st.

For example, see here: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/28/politics/trump-f...

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 28th June 17:49

[Byker28i]

coyft said:

Or just carry on exactly as he his, shouting FAKE NEWS at everything.

There - fixed it for you

Trump speech Jan 21st 2017

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ump-and-vice...

So a reporter for Time magazine -- and I have been on there cover, like, 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time Magazine. Like, if Tom Brady is on the cover, it's one time, because he won the Super Bowl or something, right? (Laughter.) I've been on it for 15 times this year. I don’t think that's a record, Mike, that can ever be broken. Do you agree with that? What do you think?


Is he counting all the fake copies - I mean there seems to be a copy in a lot of his golf clubs...

Doral Golf Club in Florida and the Hudson Valley Golf Club in New York, Mar-A-Lago, Washington golf club, Bedminster, Doonbeg Golf Club and the Turnbury Golf Clubhave taken theirs down. Come on thats now a single mistake, that a concerted effort to produce, and display, FAKE NEWS!

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 28th June 18:10

[jmorgan]

That is the start now, seems he is a bit, er, well. Golf tournaments he has won, seems this is on the back of the times magazine cover. People spotted other things....