45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
Discussion
coyft said:
Eric Mc said:
So, you don't really mind that the President of the US, the most powerful man in the world, is unpredictable and behaves in a very, very odd and (some might say) insane way?
If you don't, then maybe your grasp on the seriousness of the situation is rather tenuous.
Democracy in action for you, why should I mind? If you don't, then maybe your grasp on the seriousness of the situation is rather tenuous.
And he seems to be doing his best to undermine the very democratic system that led to where he is. Democracy is great - but its important that those who gain from it uphold it once in power.
coyft said:
He doesn't need to be a parliamentary tactician or a legislative mastermind, there should be others in the GOP for that job.
It'll be an absolute disgrace if they can't get something passed through on healthcare. However that responsibility firmly sits with the party as a whole, not on Trump's shoulders.
You've identified a few things now that he isn't, doesn't have to be, or aren't his responsibility.It'll be an absolute disgrace if they can't get something passed through on healthcare. However that responsibility firmly sits with the party as a whole, not on Trump's shoulders.
Quite difficult to work out what's left for him to do, and what he is good at (apart from baselessly talking himself up - does anyone really believe he had the idea to make the Mexican wall out of solar panels? That looked like a typical CEO "steal someone else's idea and take credit for it" manoeuvre).
amgmcqueen said:
I read that Trump has a button on his desk that orders him a Coca Cola whenever he likes. If true it is like Homer Simpson has entered the White house!
To be fair, if I was president, i would have something similar.But on tap, chocolate pipe, fizzy water. Then liquorice rope, and cake. Lots of cake.
BIANCO said:
Eric Mc said:
So, you don't really mind that the President of the US, the most powerful man in the world, is unpredictable and behaves in a very, very odd and (some might say) insane way?
If you don't, then maybe your grasp on the seriousness of the situation is rather tenuous.
Because what do you think is going to happen if he is impeached and removed from office? If you don't, then maybe your grasp on the seriousness of the situation is rather tenuous.
Then ask yourself would you rather have a slightly unpredictable present, or have the most powerful nation on earth become far more unstable than it will be with Trump in power. Do you think his supporters are just going to say OK no problem and go away?.
I really do think that the metropolitan elites and establishments just need to swallow their pride a bit and live with him. This constant attack on Trump is not just an attack on him but the people who voted for him, they need to see this.
If he does get kicked out I defiantly wouldn't like to be a CNN or any other of the anti Trump media outlet employee, Think they would be safer publishing drawings of the profit Muhammad beating up his 9 year old wife.
Well done for getting in an anti-Muslim kick too btw.
BIANCO said:
Countdown said:
coyft said:
Or just carry on exactly as he his, connecting with his supporters and winding everyone else up.
How long do you think his supporters will continue believing his lies?And like i said by having this vendetta against him they are not helping themselves. If people believe they have a fair and balanced media that understands them, then when the media does say something people will listen but most people in america no longer do.
coyft said:
He doesn't need to be a parliamentary tactician or a legislative mastermind, there should be others in the GOP for that job.
It'll be an absolute disgrace if they can't get something passed through on healthcare. However that responsibility firmly sits with the party as a whole, not on Trump's shoulders.
You've identified a few things now that he isn't, doesn't have to be, or aren't his responsibility.It'll be an absolute disgrace if they can't get something passed through on healthcare. However that responsibility firmly sits with the party as a whole, not on Trump's shoulders.
Quite difficult to work out what's left for him to do, and what he is good at (apart from baselessly talking himself up - does anyone really believe he had the idea to make the Mexican wall out of solar panels? That looked like a typical CEO "steal someone else's idea and take credit for it" manoeuvre).
I see that whilst we have been arguing over Trump the French have snuck up and he is now going there first. I know some will feel this is a good thing, but the French have a knack of knowing which side their bread is buttered on and they will make him feel welcome and will be his new best friend.
Meanwhile we will still be arguing as he makes his way around the rest of the EU telling them how wonderful they are.
We needed strong relationships with the US and by the actions of a minority that has been damaged.
Meanwhile we will still be arguing as he makes his way around the rest of the EU telling them how wonderful they are.
We needed strong relationships with the US and by the actions of a minority that has been damaged.
Zod said:
Absurd hyperbole. Nixon was impeached and stood down at just about the most tense period in the Cold War and amidst the 70s energy crisis. Nothing happened.
Well done for getting in an anti-Muslim kick too btw.
You obviously don't know your history very well. The 1973/74 period was actually the time of a relaxation in the Cold War. "Détente" was the buzz word of the day - Nixon was signing nuclear arms limitation agreements with the Soviets, was organising America's withdrawl from Vietnam and had visited China and met Mao. Also, the first ever joint USA/Soviet Union space flight (the Apollo Soyuz Test Project) was in an advance stage of planning. It actually happened in 1975, the year after Nixon had resigned - but it was Nixon's baby.Well done for getting in an anti-Muslim kick too btw.
The Cold War ramped up later on in the early 1980s chiefly because of the US's objection to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and later Ronald Regan's "Star Wars" policy.
Eric Mc said:
It's "unpresidential" because it MAY be illegal and unconstitutional.
The President and his team is under investigation - not by the media - but by Constitutionally appointed organs of the state. Whether the media chooses to report on these investigations is their choice. They have that freedom guaranteed to them, oddly enough, by that very same Constitution.
So - let them get on and do their job. If you or the Donald don't like the angles they are taking, that is down to you and him. If theyare barking up wrong trees - that will come out in the wash eventually and they will have wasted their time.
On the other hand, if they AREN'T barking up wrong trees - then they have a duty to keep burrowing down those rabbit holes (to mix doggy metaphors).
Hell, I think the guy is an utter clown but that in of itself doesn't deny you office. The President and his team is under investigation - not by the media - but by Constitutionally appointed organs of the state. Whether the media chooses to report on these investigations is their choice. They have that freedom guaranteed to them, oddly enough, by that very same Constitution.
So - let them get on and do their job. If you or the Donald don't like the angles they are taking, that is down to you and him. If theyare barking up wrong trees - that will come out in the wash eventually and they will have wasted their time.
On the other hand, if they AREN'T barking up wrong trees - then they have a duty to keep burrowing down those rabbit holes (to mix doggy metaphors).
Let's see where the investigation goes but from my cynical viewpoint, there's a real lack of proper discovery in the investigation and Trump will water-off-ducks-back this whole thing. That's what I'd put money on. I've completely given up with the press coverage - I'm a big Rachel Maddow fan but lately it sounds like she's running out of real news wrt Trump to talk about. Just escalating stuff that whilst a bit ridiculous just doesnt matter in the bigger picture.
GroundEffect said:
Hell, I think the guy is an utter clown but that in of itself doesn't deny you office.
Let's see where the investigation goes but from my cynical viewpoint, there's a real lack of proper discovery in the investigation and Trump will water-off-ducks-back this whole thing. That's what I'd put money on. I've completely given up with the press coverage - I'm a big Rachel Maddow fan but lately it sounds like she's running out of real news wrt Trump to talk about. Just escalating stuff that whilst a bit ridiculous just doesnt matter in the bigger picture.
At the moment we don't know what has been discovered in these investigations. They are still in their early phases. So don't assume nothing of importance has been found.Let's see where the investigation goes but from my cynical viewpoint, there's a real lack of proper discovery in the investigation and Trump will water-off-ducks-back this whole thing. That's what I'd put money on. I've completely given up with the press coverage - I'm a big Rachel Maddow fan but lately it sounds like she's running out of real news wrt Trump to talk about. Just escalating stuff that whilst a bit ridiculous just doesnt matter in the bigger picture.
As for being an "utter clown", that in itself could be enough to have him impeached. We shall just see how far his clownish behaviour takes him and how close to the edge of disaster it will bring the country.
coyft said:
Let's get this straight.
A politicians job is to get elected,
Yes, let's get this straight. A politicians job is to get elected,
A politician's job is to do the thing he or she has been elected to do. Election is a stepping stone to the actual work.
At some point if you post often enough you might get something right in this thread.
Greg66 said:
coyft said:
Let's get this straight.
A politicians job is to get elected,
Yes, let's get this straight. A politicians job is to get elected,
A politician's job is to do the thing he or she has been elected to do. Election is a stepping stone to the actual work.
At some point if you post often enough you might get something right in this thread.
RobDickinson said:
The only real hint of if anything has been found is Comey saying he cant talk about stuff in an open forum. I think thats rather telling.
if he had found nothing he wouldnt have said that.
Yes, it's as telling as all the other deliberate snide insinuations that have no substance whatsoever.if he had found nothing he wouldnt have said that.
Everything Comey says is carefully designed to sow a seed of suspicion without their ever having to actually find any proof.
Obama politicized all the state institutions, Comey is Obama/Clinton's man, if you can't see a rat, no wonder you like sloshing through the sewers.
Whilst he still has the support of his core voters he will carry on as he is.
As a side note,Mrs S was listening to the radio the other day and heard by the mid 2020's another 23 million Americans will have no health insurance.Sooner rather than later they have to sort out their health care system.
As a side note,Mrs S was listening to the radio the other day and heard by the mid 2020's another 23 million Americans will have no health insurance.Sooner rather than later they have to sort out their health care system.
smifffymoto said:
Whilst he still has the support of his core voters he will carry on as he is.
As a side note,Mrs S was listening to the radio the other day and heard by the mid 2020's another 23 million Americans will have no health insurance.Sooner rather than later they have to sort out their health care system.
I saw an announcement recently that the Chan Zuckerberg Foundation were setting up a programme of free sight tests and glasses for American children who can't afford them. They believe there are around 2 million affected! How any supposedly civilised country thinks that's acceptable is beyond me..As a side note,Mrs S was listening to the radio the other day and heard by the mid 2020's another 23 million Americans will have no health insurance.Sooner rather than later they have to sort out their health care system.
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