45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[p1stonhead]

Eric Mc said:

skyrover said:

There's very little reason to be poor in the USA unless you really can't be arsed.

When I started out over there I lived in a shelter which kicked me out every morning to go jobhunting. At night I had a bed and they fed me.

Within a week I got a job driving a forklift which allowed me to save for a bicycle allowing me to get about and a deposit on a flat.

My rent including electric and water was $400 a month and the job paid $660 a week after tax. This included health insurance which I ended up needing.

I saved enough for a car and started working up the ladder. No college degree, no American high school education... Just a foreigner trying his luck.

I learned some of the best lessons in my life being forced to think on my feet to survive.

Continued welfare dependancy would have taught me all the wrong lessons.

Agree - if you have mental health issues or suffer some some of life changing catasrophe outside your control - it's still your fault and you deserve whatever happens to you.

Being poor is something the poor bring on themselves. When will they ever learn, the schmucks.

They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps obviously.

[Eric Mc]

p1stonhead said:

They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps obviously.

Assuming they can afford to buy some bootstraps.

[skyrover]

Eric Mc said:

Agree - if you have mental health issues or suffer some some of life changing catasrophe outside your control - it's still your fault and you deserve whatever happens to you.

Being poor is something the poor bring on themselves. When will they ever learn, the schmucks.

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

[hairykrishna]

The whole unpleasant personal attack on the journalist is just an attempt at distraction from the WSJ story about the connection between Flynn and the Clinton email hack that they knew was about to be released.

[Countdown]

mikal83 said:

On Morning Joe, Donny Deutsch just called the orange buffoon a misogynist pig!

If your supporters include a large number of misogynist pigs then that's not really going to hurt Trump.

[Eric Mc]

skyrover said:

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

Yes - all mental health issues are the same and they are easily overcome. Nobody should be held back by physical or mental contstraitns. And anybody who does is a shirker and lazy.

I hope in heaven that you never, ever suffer some set back in life that causes you monetary problems. I truly do.

[jmorgan]

I am sure that you can pull yourself up and I am sure life just dumps on you from a great height and no amount of tugging on bootstraps will pull you up out of deep dark holes of despair. Happens here in the UK as well. Happens everywhere. lIfe can be a sod.

[skyrover]

Eric Mc said:

skyrover said:

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

Yes - all mental health issues are the same and they are easily overcome. Nobody should be held back by physical or mental contstraitns. And anybody who does is a shirker and lazy.

I hope in heaven that you never, ever suffer some set back in life that causes you monetary problems. I truly do.

Trying to portray me as a heartless monster isn't going to work i'm afraid.

[unrepentant]

Eric Mc said:

skyrover said:

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

Yes - all mental health issues are the same and they are easily overcome. Nobody should be held back by physical or mental contstraitns. And anybody who does is a shirker and lazy.

I hope in heaven that you never, ever suffer some set back in life that causes you monetary problems. I truly do.

Prior to the ACA you could be refused medical insurance on the grounds of a pre existing condition (something the senate bill would allow again). Many people found themselves uninsured for that reason. So you have a condition from childhood that prevents you from getting insurance. You work hard for 25 years then because you have not had the medical care that most of us take for granted you have a catastrophic medical episode. When you recover you face bills of such gigantic proportions that you can never pay them. But you get 20 phone calls a week asking for payment anyway. Eventually you have no choice but to file bankruptcy. The good news is that you can't work full time either and because you've been struck down you qualify for medicare so for the first time in forever you have affordable access to doctors.

Trump and the other morally bereft assholes in the GOP want to turn the clock back and make that very real scenario fact again. 22 million people, amongst them some of the most vulnerable, will again lose healthcare. It's disgusting and they and ignorant people who say that being poor is "a choice" are utter scum as far as I am concerned.

[roachcoach]

hairykrishna said:

The whole unpleasant personal attack on the journalist is just an attempt at distraction from the WSJ story about the connection between Flynn and the Clinton email hack that they knew was about to be released.

Yep, I wonder if the key jangling will ever not work.

[Eric Mc]

skyrover said:

Eric Mc said:

skyrover said:

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

Yes - all mental health issues are the same and they are easily overcome. Nobody should be held back by physical or mental contstraitns. And anybody who does is a shirker and lazy.

I hope in heaven that you never, ever suffer some set back in life that causes you monetary problems. I truly do.

Trying to portray me as a heartless monster isn't going to work i'm afraid.

I don't think I have to do that, to be fair. Out of one's own words, one's character emerges.

[Colonial]

Eric Mc said:

skyrover said:

Generally speaking yes it's a choice.

Life changing injuries are a tiny proportion of the population and mental health issues don't stop you from earning a crust unless you are physically ill... Again very rare.

Most people have some sort of mental health trouble... It dies not stop them getting on.

My best mate has severe bipolar disorder yet runs a successful computer business.

Yes - all mental health issues are the same and they are easily overcome. Nobody should be held back by physical or mental contstraitns. And anybody who does is a shirker and lazy.

I hope in heaven that you never, ever suffer some set back in life that causes you monetary problems. I truly do.

Yeah. What I said earlier really still stands.

[Eric Mc]

I see Nanook has emerged from wherever he was hiding. Hello.

I won't be responding directly to Nanook's comments as he, by default, automatically disagrees with what I say so it all becomes a bit pointless.

I will be posting on this thread in respect of other comments so I'm not abandoning the discussion.

[Byker28i]

None of the Trumpettes want to support the donalds personal attack/distraction then?

[Eric Mc]

What is there to say?

It's perfectly indicative of his character.

[Byker28i]

roachcoach said:

hairykrishna said:

The whole unpleasant personal attack on the journalist is just an attempt at distraction from the WSJ story about the connection between Flynn and the Clinton email hack that they knew was about to be released.

Yep, I wonder if the key jangling will ever not work.

It's slowly unravelling. It's a wonder anyone wants to be associated with the donald now. He's quite a toxic brand, destroying careers around him.
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

http://www.newsweek.com/republican-michael-flynn-a...


How can it be Russian hackers? The donald has said they had nothing to do with it. Wikileaks said they didn't come from russia.
So did the russians give it to flynn, who then gave it to wikileaks. Might be why Roger Stone was talking to them and boasted about leaks to come before they came out.

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 30th June 14:03

[anonymous-user]

He's back on twitter again this morning, continuing the feud with Joe & Mika ... no surprise there then.

[Monty Python]

hairykrishna said:

The whole unpleasant personal attack on the journalist is just an attempt at distraction from the WSJ story about the connection between Flynn and the Clinton email hack that they knew was about to be released.

Yet personal attacks by journalists on Trump are okay? Is anyone surprised when Trump has been called a schmuck, a mysoginist, a sexual predator, a disgusting dude, a crazy lunatic, a mean girl amongst other things.

Trump isn't a career politician - he's a businessman and is used to dealing with other businessmen.

As for the WSJ article, it's full of unsubstantiated claims:

"The Journal cautioned that it was unclear what role Flynn might have played in Smith’s email hack hunt — which turned up nothing. Flynn did not respond to the paper’s requests for comment

And Smith —who died at age 81 shortly after talking to the Journal — told the paper he knew Flynn, but he never said Flynn was involved."

[hairykrishna]

He's the president of the United States. He shouldn't be tweeting that sort of st. It doesn't matter what the nasty journalists say about him or if he was a businessmen before, not a politician. He should certainly have bigger things occupying his attention than what some nobodies on a morning TV program are saying about him.

As I said, it's irrelevant anyway. I'm pretty sure it was tweeted to make sure that it was the big Trump story in the news rather than the Flynn one.

Have you read the WSJ story? I know it's paywalled. It’s a bit firmer than the reporting you quoted would suggest. They have reviewed emails that reveal close cooperation with Flynns son and imply knowledge by Flynn himself.

Edited by hairykrishna on Friday 30th June 14:47

[jmorgan]

Monty Python said:

Trump isn't a career politician - he's a businessman and is used to dealing with other businessmen.

Be interesting to know how he dealt with other business men/women.

I expect there is a lot of a politician in many successful business persons. Deals need to be done in both circles.