45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[Byker28i]

RDMcG said:

Washington Post has just broken that Jeff Sessions indeed had substantive discussions with the Russians about Trump positions on policy in April 2016..
Sessions has of course recused himself, but this is quite a big deal I think...........

Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials both in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign.


So the Russians haven't been given what they were promised for the assistance and are ramping up the pressure slowly, hence the number of leaks about meetings.

[Byker28i]

Kusher failed to disclose several of his financial holdings. His disclosure form has been updated 39 times since march, along with his undisclosed meetings with russians...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-fa...


The lies run deep in this administration. Drain the swamp indeed!

[minimoog]

Byker28i said:

Kusher failed to disclose several of his financial holdings. His disclosure form has been updated 39 times since march, along with his undisclosed meetings with russians...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-fa...


The lies run deep in this administration. Drain the swamp indeed!

They're a pack of lying grifters, the lot of them.

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Byker28i said:

Kusher failed to disclose several of his financial holdings. His disclosure form has been updated 39 times since march, along with his undisclosed meetings with russians...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-fa...


The lies run deep in this administration. Drain the swamp indeed!

Is any of that actually illegal?

For example, Kushner failed to disclose documents. My first thought is "So what?". Is it just good practice to disclose, or is it a legal requirement? Trump didn't disclose his tax returns. The US electorate didn't care.

The point that I'm making is - Donny Jr met with some Russians, Kushner hsn't declared some assets, Ivanka is still making a fortune from outside interests..... So what?

If people want to get rid of Trump they need to focus on things that people care about, e.g. Point out the billions in tax rebates which will result from TrumpCare,.

[minimoog]

Countdown said:

Is any of that actually illegal?

The article states disclosure is required in order to comply with (unspecified) federal ethics laws.

The tax returns publishing thing is different, that's just a long-established convention to voluntarily demonstrate to the public an absence of impropriety. Trump feels no obligation to be transparent to the public in this way.

A good chunk of the electorate do care about his tax returns. He promised he would publish them, and some of those who voted for him may have hoped he would. Probably the vast majority of his followers don't care though. They don't seem to care about anything at all other than fking over Dems and liberals.

Edited by minimoog on Saturday 22 July 12:34

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minimoog said:

The article states disclosure is required in order to comply with (unspecified) federal ethics laws.

"Unspecified" being the key word here (IMO). If the MSM keep going on and on about violations of unspecified laws, and then it turns out the laws are pretty vague/mediocre for Trumpkins to be prosecuted it's a masive victory for Trump. He will boast loudly about Fake News and his gullible acolytes will lap it up, so it becomes totally counterproductive

minimoog said:

The tax returns publishing thing is different, that's just a long-established convention to voluntarily demonstrate to the public an absence of impropriety. Trump feels no obligation to be transparent to the public in this way.

A good chunk of the electorate do care about his tax returns. He promised he would publish them, and some of those who voted for him may have hoped he would. Probably the vast majority of his followers don't care though. They don't seem to care about anything at all other than fking over Dems and liberals.

In summary, Trump's a dodgy sleazebucket and his voters don't care.

[p1stonhead]

Quick look over there!

[Countdown]

So, Comey's committed "crimes" now...?

How tf is that not slanderous? How tf can he get away with lying so blatantly and repeatedly...?

[Blue Cat]

This is the sort of story that should be getting more publicity because this is what the ordinary american would understand better

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-its-l...

All that stuff about saving jobs - complete lies

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Blue Cat said:

This is the sort of story that should be getting more publicity because this is what the ordinary american would understand better

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-its-l...

All that stuff about saving jobs - complete lies

It doesn't matter. People will only hear what they want to hear. The lady in that article is probably no different to any of the other people in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. His core support is still rock solid. Anything in that article would be dismissed as FAKE NOOZ.

Let's be honest - I think a large number of people recognised that Trump was (and is) a complete and utter liar. And he just shouts and shouts when somebody points out the truth until the people doing the shouting get bored and go away.

Nothing fundamental has changed since the election. And I cant see it changing over the next 3 and a half years.

[mikal83]

Blue Cat said:

This is the sort of story that should be getting more publicity because this is what the ordinary american would understand better

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-its-l...

All that stuff about saving jobs - complete lies

Trump+Lie= sad

[anonymous-user]

It sounds like this Scaramucci fellow has drunk deep from the Trump Kool Aid fountain.

"The President himself is always going to be the President. I was in the Oval Office with him earlier today, and we were talking about letting him be himself, letting him express his full identity," he said.
"I think he's got some of the best political instincts in the world, and perhaps in history."

(From CNN). Mildly troubling if we've been seeing a watered down version of the real Trump so far, but hey ho.

Anyway, these great political instincts (perhaps the best in history). Trump's twitter reaction to the WaPo news that Sessions has been caught in another lie is to say that "illegal leaks" must stop.

Right.

So the real problem is publicising the lies of the Trump administration, and not the, errr, lies of the Trump administration.

And that's a politically smart thing to say, is it?

[Byker28i]

Countdown said:

Byker28i said:

Kusher failed to disclose several of his financial holdings. His disclosure form has been updated 39 times since march, along with his undisclosed meetings with russians...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-fa...


The lies run deep in this administration. Drain the swamp indeed!

Is any of that actually illegal?

For example, Kushner failed to disclose documents. My first thought is "So what?". Is it just good practice to disclose, or is it a legal requirement? Trump didn't disclose his tax returns. The US electorate didn't care.

The point that I'm making is - Donny Jr met with some Russians, Kushner hsn't declared some assets, Ivanka is still making a fortune from outside interests..... So what?

If people want to get rid of Trump they need to focus on things that people care about, e.g. Point out the billions in tax rebates which will result from TrumpCare,.

It's more to do with his security clearance. Disclosure of all means there's no skeletons in the closet to possibly be blackmailed with. So 39 amendments to his financial disclosure of things he's forgotten and only disclosed when prompted? One of these he 'forgot' was a $285m load from deutsche bank a month before the election. The same deutsche bank thats been propping up the donalds businesses and the same deutsche bank fined for laundering russian money.

It's taken him 4 attempts to complete his security form, with the last adding over 100 russian contacts and meetings, remembering that his initial SF-86 declared claimed no meetings with foreign government officials during the presidential campaign and transition.

He then claimed a member of staff hit submit before it was ready, only the form is printed out and has to be signed. It specifically points out what happens if false statements are made.


At no point does that mention a presidential pardon...


So they were so keen to deny russian contacts, despite now we know there were many. And his security clearance gives him access to what the president has, or offers to show him.

So 4 attempts at disclosing his security risks, 39 attempts at disclosing his finances and only making changes when prompted. That's why it's serious.

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 22 July 18:31

[Byker28i]

Trumps latest tweat
While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us.FAKE NEWS


So he thinks he can pardon all and sundry...

[frisbee]

Maybe he's got burping and political corruption mixed up? Its an easy mistake to make.

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Greg66 said:

It sounds like this Scaramucci fellow has drunk deep from the Trump Kool Aid fountain.

"The President himself is always going to be the President. I was in the Oval Office with him earlier today, and we were talking about letting him be himself, letting him express his full identity," he said.
"I think he's got some of the best political instincts in the world, and perhaps in history."

(From CNN). Mildly troubling if we've been seeing a watered down version of the real Trump so far, but hey ho.

Anyway, these great political instincts (perhaps the best in history). Trump's twitter reaction to the WaPo news that Sessions has been caught in another lie is to say that "illegal leaks" must stop.

Regarding political instincts, despite all the polls, despite all the negative publicity, despite the lack of experience, despite the lack of knowledge, and basically despite the fact that he's a complete fukctard he still managed to get elected as POTUS.

So I'd say he's got pretty good instincts.

[paulguitar]

Where the hell are Nasty and Grumbly?

For that matter, what happened to Ribena and Pesty, Yipper, and that guy from Preston with a Mustang?

[berlintaxi]

This extract from an interview can't be genuine........hopefully

[Order66]

berlintaxi said:

This extract from an interview can't be genuine........hopefully

Nope, not real in the slightest.

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Order66 said:

berlintaxi said:

This extract from an interview can't be genuine........hopefully

Nope, not real in the slightest.

It's a little scary how nobody would be shocked if it WAS genuine....