45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
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I don't really understand why 'colluding' with the Russians is so terrible? The content of the leak should be the main thing, not who gave it to him.
Besides, Hilary had the whole of the main stream media dumping bad press on Trump (which was all tattle tales) and yet the actual crimes of Clinton are swept under the carpet.
Anyway, he's president now so put a sock in it and let him get on with it. If he f
ks it up, he'll be gone. Simple.
Besides, Hilary had the whole of the main stream media dumping bad press on Trump (which was all tattle tales) and yet the actual crimes of Clinton are swept under the carpet.
Anyway, he's president now so put a sock in it and let him get on with it. If he f
ks it up, he'll be gone. Simple. cqueen said:
I don't really understand why 'colluding' with the Russians is so terrible? The content of the leak should be the main thing, not who gave it to him.
Besides, Hilary had the whole of the main stream media dumping bad press on Trump (which was all tattle tales) and yet the actual crimes of Clinton are swept under the carpet.
Anyway, he's president now so put a sock in it and let him get on with it. If he fks it up, he'll be gone. Simple.
It's called treason to have a foreign power attempt to manipulate an election. I guess you're fine with that.Besides, Hilary had the whole of the main stream media dumping bad press on Trump (which was all tattle tales) and yet the actual crimes of Clinton are swept under the carpet.
Anyway, he's president now so put a sock in it and let him get on with it. If he f
ks it up, he'll be gone. Simple. cqueen said:
968 said:
It's called treason to have a foreign power attempt to manipulate an election. I guess you're fine with that.
If treason means exposing the truth about a candidate then yes, I'm absolutley fine with that. Apparently "The Wall" might be transparent now, to avoid the risk of people being flattened by 60lb bags of cocaine.
That's why Putin wanted him to be POTUS. Because he's a moron.
cqueen said:
968 said:
It's called treason to have a foreign power attempt to manipulate an election. I guess you're fine with that.
If treason means exposing the truth about a candidate then yes, I'm absolutley fine with that. Whether it is actual treason or not is up to the legal people to decide.
That is why Trump Jnr is being questioned on Wednesday. You can see how innoculous Trump Jnr thought his actions were then by his actions now -
"Donald Trump Jr. has hired Karina Lynch – a Washington D.C. lawyer who focuses on oversight issues – ahead of his Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday".
Eric Mc said:
The law doesn't take into account the motivation factor. If an individual involved in an election campaign for someone running for office with a foreign power - then they have contravened election rules and regulations. WHY they did this is totally irrelevant.
Whether it is actual treason or not is up to the legal people to decide.
That is why Trump Jnr is being questioned on Wednesday. You can see how innoculous Trump Jnr thought his actions were then by his actions now -
"Donald Trump Jr. has hired Karina Lynch – a Washington D.C. lawyer who focuses on oversight issues – ahead of his Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday".
And getting back to the question I posed, imagine this was Hilary or Obama trying to prophylactically pardon themselves from treason. I wonder what the reaction from the alt-right would be? Screaming hysteria perhaps? Witness the birther movement. Whether it is actual treason or not is up to the legal people to decide.
That is why Trump Jnr is being questioned on Wednesday. You can see how innoculous Trump Jnr thought his actions were then by his actions now -
"Donald Trump Jr. has hired Karina Lynch – a Washington D.C. lawyer who focuses on oversight issues – ahead of his Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday".
Gandahar said:
Byker28i said:
Trumps latest tweat
While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us.FAKE NEWS
So he thinks he can pardon all and sundry...
Yes he can actually. Kicker is he can pardon them before rather than after as well. Including himself. If that seems rather extraordinary, it is While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us.FAKE NEWS
So he thinks he can pardon all and sundry...
Of course if he did that, which no other President has ever done in all these years, then it would cause more ripples and new inches.
The funny thing is, if Donald pardoned himself now, then got impeached after all the investigations then whether he would ever get sent to prison would still be up to the next US government.
Lets face it, the US public wanted someone like John Wayne who road into town and cleaned up the mass of Washington cattle barons .
Shooting with with a 2nd amendment six shooter, not popping down to his local deputy attorney
They need to take a look at this as a warning and roll back the presidential powers - BIGLY!
minimoog said:
cqueen said:
If treason means exposing the truth about a candidate then yes, I'm absolutley fine with that.
And if all the investigations, legal and journalistic, mean exposing the truth about Trump's grift and collusion with Russia then I'm absolutely fine with that.The Washington Post revealed on friday that Sessions did talk about the Trump campaign with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, despite his previous denials. So thats ties to Russian money, Russian financiers, Russian lobbyists, Russian condo clients, Russian lawyers, former Russian spooks, a Russian diplomat, Russian oligarchs and Russian hangers-on, but the donald hand no contacts or business.....
Drain the swamp indeed. Bit hard when you thrive in it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secu...
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 24th July 08:55
And all the current leaks are coming from the russians and the russian connections, which means that Putin is applying pressure, a payback as promised for the assistance to get the donald elected. Thats what all those private G20 meetings were probably about.
Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump into the White House specifically to get U.S. sanctions lifted against Russia. Putin has a huge chunk of his personal net worth riding on those sanctions being eased.
But six months later, Trump hasn’t been able to get anything done on sanctions. From the start he’s lacked the political capital to unilaterally pull it off. And now even his own party is about to officially make it so he can never lift those sanctions. Trump couldn’t even pull off the secondary goal of getting the espionage-tainted diplomatic compounds returned to Russian hands.
So Trumps handler, Kislyak who Trump and his team met several times, gets withdrawn without a replacement ready and embarrassing stories of the meetings start getting leaked to apply pressure....
There's only one part of the Steele Dossier not yet been proven to be true. How long before the tape is released?
Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump into the White House specifically to get U.S. sanctions lifted against Russia. Putin has a huge chunk of his personal net worth riding on those sanctions being eased.
But six months later, Trump hasn’t been able to get anything done on sanctions. From the start he’s lacked the political capital to unilaterally pull it off. And now even his own party is about to officially make it so he can never lift those sanctions. Trump couldn’t even pull off the secondary goal of getting the espionage-tainted diplomatic compounds returned to Russian hands.
So Trumps handler, Kislyak who Trump and his team met several times, gets withdrawn without a replacement ready and embarrassing stories of the meetings start getting leaked to apply pressure....
There's only one part of the Steele Dossier not yet been proven to be true. How long before the tape is released?
Still when the going gets tough, the tough....go on holiday
Plans underfoot for an 18 day holiday on his New Jersey golf course.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-may-vacation-18-days...
Plans underfoot for an 18 day holiday on his New Jersey golf course.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-may-vacation-18-days...
I'm genuinely puzzled by this idea of a pardon. Can someone explain it to me.
By the generally accepted use of this word, a pardon can only be made if a crime has been shown to have taken place and a conviction has followed. I have read of people being convicted and imprisoned, protesting their innocence, who refuse to accept a pardon as it would signify an acceptance of guilt.
For the President to pardon somebody, surely there must come first charges, a trial, and a conviction. Otherwise, it would merely be a deflection of the normal course of justice in order to protect an individual. All done in the open, of course.
Could Trump's presidency survive this, on the one hand, and on the other, if charges were proved in court, the damage would already have been done.
By the generally accepted use of this word, a pardon can only be made if a crime has been shown to have taken place and a conviction has followed. I have read of people being convicted and imprisoned, protesting their innocence, who refuse to accept a pardon as it would signify an acceptance of guilt.
For the President to pardon somebody, surely there must come first charges, a trial, and a conviction. Otherwise, it would merely be a deflection of the normal course of justice in order to protect an individual. All done in the open, of course.
Could Trump's presidency survive this, on the one hand, and on the other, if charges were proved in court, the damage would already have been done.
968 said:
And getting back to the question I posed, imagine this was Hilary or Obama trying to prophylactically pardon themselves from treason. I wonder what the reaction from the alt-right would be? Screaming hysteria perhaps? Witness the birther movement.
Ignoring the well-used line 'but they are not the president', it is an interesting comparison to make. I would imagine that those particular political 'actors' would not have been so clumsy in either their prior preparation or handling, should such a suspicion be possible to direct at them. I may be accused of appearing to give the el pres and his office credit for too much cunning, but I do wonder if they are leading the investigation, and thus large sections of the media, down the garden path with this 'presidential self-pardon'. The idea is farcical even by the standards of the last 12-18 months. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-21...Roofless Toothless said:
I'm genuinely puzzled by this idea of a pardon. Can someone explain it to me.
By the generally accepted use of this word, a pardon can only be made if a crime has been shown to have taken place and a conviction has followed. I have read of people being convicted and imprisoned, protesting their innocence, who refuse to accept a pardon as it would signify an acceptance of guilt.
For the President to pardon somebody, surely there must come first charges, a trial, and a conviction. Otherwise, it would merely be a deflection of the normal course of justice in order to protect an individual. All done in the open, of course.
Could Trump's presidency survive this, on the one hand, and on the other, if charges were proved in court, the damage would already have been done.
I'm not sure about the trial and conviction bit, but from what I've read it certainly involves admitting guilt. I gather that in Trump's case this then leaves him open to State prosecutions (for what I don't know, NYC bringing charges was mentioned), and he cannot pardon himself from a State prosecution. Whether that actually makes a difference to anything is moot at this stage I guess.By the generally accepted use of this word, a pardon can only be made if a crime has been shown to have taken place and a conviction has followed. I have read of people being convicted and imprisoned, protesting their innocence, who refuse to accept a pardon as it would signify an acceptance of guilt.
For the President to pardon somebody, surely there must come first charges, a trial, and a conviction. Otherwise, it would merely be a deflection of the normal course of justice in order to protect an individual. All done in the open, of course.
Could Trump's presidency survive this, on the one hand, and on the other, if charges were proved in court, the damage would already have been done.
That's he's even floating the idea is beyond bizarre, and the fact that GOP haven't come straight out and unanimously condemned the notion shows what a foul pit American politics has become (and you can chuck HRC's shenanigans in there too as far as I'm concerned).
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