45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia...
A former U.S. Justice Department official has become the latest lawyer to join special counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, a spokesman for the team confirmed.
Greg Andres started on Tuesday, becoming the 16th lawyer on the team, said Josh Stueve, a spokesman for the special counsel.
Most recently a white-collar criminal defense lawyer with New York law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell, Andres, 50, served at the Justice Department from 2010 to 2012. He was deputy assistant attorney general in the criminal division, where he oversaw the fraud unit and managed the program that targeted illegal foreign bribery.
Yep that's the kind of guy you hire when there's nothing bad found...
A former U.S. Justice Department official has become the latest lawyer to join special counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, a spokesman for the team confirmed.
Greg Andres started on Tuesday, becoming the 16th lawyer on the team, said Josh Stueve, a spokesman for the special counsel.
Most recently a white-collar criminal defense lawyer with New York law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell, Andres, 50, served at the Justice Department from 2010 to 2012. He was deputy assistant attorney general in the criminal division, where he oversaw the fraud unit and managed the program that targeted illegal foreign bribery.
Yep that's the kind of guy you hire when there's nothing bad found...
RobDickinson said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia...
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Yep that's the kind of guy you hire when there's nothing bad found...
Hiring a lawyer is evidence of guilt now? ...
Yep that's the kind of guy you hire when there's nothing bad found...
This thread continues to deliver.
RobDickinson said:
Mueller has said he wont hire lawyers unless he thinks he has stuff that would lead to charges, and this is a lawyer with a very specific skill set.
But yeah its all fake news.
It is the US though. You'd be mad to not have a lawyer on board for anything. It's a bit of a different environment to UK/Canada/rest of the developed world. But yeah its all fake news.
Colonial said:
RobDickinson said:
Mueller has said he wont hire lawyers unless he thinks he has stuff that would lead to charges, and this is a lawyer with a very specific skill set.
But yeah its all fake news.
It is the US though. You'd be mad to not have a lawyer on board for anything. It's a bit of a different environment to UK/Canada/rest of the developed world. But yeah its all fake news.
I am shocked at Donald Trumps behaviour online and his 'calling' out of things. Is this the type of behaviour whixh should be associated with someone in his position?
He has a higher turnover of staff than most companies I have worked at.
Such a contrast with previous presidents. And what has he actually achieved since he has come into office?
Someone please get him off the stage!
He has a higher turnover of staff than most companies I have worked at.
Such a contrast with previous presidents. And what has he actually achieved since he has come into office?
Someone please get him off the stage!
jmorgan said:
I do get the impression that in the US you need a lawyer if you so much as look in someones direction. Just in case.
Yeah, someone on here gave an explanation about a property purchase which really illustrates that point. It's a very different environment and getting the most experienced person in a particular field is what any person with the means to do so would do.
I don't see any issues with this.
There's so much real stuff out there that shows how abysmal the entire administration is you really don't need to grasp at straws.
jjlynn27 said:
spaximus said:
They are not all like that and that is my point. Keep on telling the same story and are they likely to listen to a different view or just keep on supporting him?
Treat people like idiots and then get surprised when they act like ones?
How would you treat someone who wears 'Proud to support muslim ban' hoodie?Treat people like idiots and then get surprised when they act like ones?
Or;
The French have banned the Burka so does that make them all redneck idiots? Easy to forget that one which went through the ECHJ and was found to be legal and has overwhelming support in France.
As I keep saying it is easy for us to look at Trump and say he is a nutter and keep on highlighting the rantings, but to ignore the reasons why so many people voted for him is going to help him again next time. People keep saying about impeachment and this story is the big one and yet nothing has happened that sticks to him. I would not be surprised if he wins a second term as who would want to go against him? If they lose no second run, the big hitters will wait until the end of his second term and then run against a normal opponent, unless Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) decides to run.
It is the same with Brexit, many who voted to leave were painted as xenophobic racists, some were but not all and the EU is beginning to understand why so many voted to leave as they take the population of the EU for granted and are trying to change some things to keep it together.
The question is whether the same people who voted for Trump would vote for him again. A sizeable proportion who did vote for him were not what are described as "core voters". They were marginal and voted for him mainly because they didn't want Hilary Clinton.
This group was the group that got him into power. There are all sorts of reasons why people like that would not vote for him next time around - if he is still there to be voted for next time around, that is.
This group was the group that got him into power. There are all sorts of reasons why people like that would not vote for him next time around - if he is still there to be voted for next time around, that is.
Eric Mc said:
The question is whether the same people who voted for Trump would vote for him again. A sizeable proportion who did vote for him were not what are described as "core voters". They were marginal and voted for him mainly because they didn't want Hilary Clinton.
This group was the group that got him into power. There are all sorts of reasons why people like that would not vote for him next time around - if he is still there to be voted for next time around, that is.
You may well be correct, but unless you find out why they got out and voted instead of tarring them all as racists redneck inbreds, what will stop them next time?This group was the group that got him into power. There are all sorts of reasons why people like that would not vote for him next time around - if he is still there to be voted for next time around, that is.
Trump is a product of the people being marginalised and from figures I saw Trump had a lot of Black, Hispanic and Women vote for him why did they do that if as the media paint him he hates all of them as well?
They need to deal with him differently as the old system is failing
Colonial said:
It is the US though. You'd be mad to not have a lawyer on board for anything. It's a bit of a different environment to UK/Canada/rest of the developed world.
He has lawers on board, he has brought this specific lawyer on board because"He was deputy assistant attorney general in the criminal division, where he oversaw the fraud unit and managed the program that targeted illegal foreign bribery."
I'm certainly not tarring those who voted for him. Of course there is a rump of bigots, racists and the under educated who will have supported him and will do so no matter what he says or does. They are a relatively small group. It's those who voted for him out of desperation and disillusionment who put him in office. Most of these people were/are disillusioned with "politics" and feel left out by the current system. This is a feeling not unique to the US. We have seen examples of this in all the developed democracies in recent years.
In fact, it's very similar situation to what was happening in democracies in the 1920s and 30s. The problem when these situations arise is that charlatans, fraudsters and blowhards can emerge promising the public that they have all the answers and that they will cure all the nation's problems. Invariably, they don't and it all ends in tears.
In fact, it's very similar situation to what was happening in democracies in the 1920s and 30s. The problem when these situations arise is that charlatans, fraudsters and blowhards can emerge promising the public that they have all the answers and that they will cure all the nation's problems. Invariably, they don't and it all ends in tears.
spaximus said:
It is easy to keep plucking pictures out of the press to prove a point, but do you seriously think that every single person who voted for Trump is like that? Visit America and speak with people to understand why. There are lots of reasons why he is still getting the support he does to average people as they feel left out by the system.
The French have banned the Burka so does that make them all redneck idiots? Easy to forget that one which went through the ECHJ and was found to be legal and has overwhelming support in France.
As I keep saying it is easy for us to look at Trump and say he is a nutter and keep on highlighting the rantings, but to ignore the reasons why so many people voted for him is going to help him again next time. People keep saying about impeachment and this story is the big one and yet nothing has happened that sticks to him. I would not be surprised if he wins a second term as who would want to go against him? If they lose no second run, the big hitters will wait until the end of his second term and then run against a normal opponent, unless Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) decides to run.
It is the same with Brexit, many who voted to leave were painted as xenophobic racists, some were but not all and the EU is beginning to understand why so many voted to leave as they take the population of the EU for granted and are trying to change some things to keep it together.
It's easy to pick pictures, because of the numbers. His approval ratings are the lowest of any president ever. As far as poor, left out of the system are concerned Trump is homeopathic choice; it will do nothing to help them, bar waste their time. The French have banned the Burka so does that make them all redneck idiots? Easy to forget that one which went through the ECHJ and was found to be legal and has overwhelming support in France.
As I keep saying it is easy for us to look at Trump and say he is a nutter and keep on highlighting the rantings, but to ignore the reasons why so many people voted for him is going to help him again next time. People keep saying about impeachment and this story is the big one and yet nothing has happened that sticks to him. I would not be surprised if he wins a second term as who would want to go against him? If they lose no second run, the big hitters will wait until the end of his second term and then run against a normal opponent, unless Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) decides to run.
It is the same with Brexit, many who voted to leave were painted as xenophobic racists, some were but not all and the EU is beginning to understand why so many voted to leave as they take the population of the EU for granted and are trying to change some things to keep it together.
You are right, it's exactly, exactly the same with Brexit. 'They took our jerbs'.
spaximus said:
As I keep saying it is easy for us to look at Trump and say he is a nutter and keep on highlighting the rantings, but to ignore the reasons why so many people voted for him is going to help him again next time.
I don't think we have been ignoring those reasons. That's why articles like this have been posted here recently, and not by pro-Trumpers...http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-...
spaximus said:
People keep saying about impeachment and this story is the big one and yet nothing has happened that sticks to him.
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