Jo Cox Street Parties

[Mr Snrub]

Randy Winkman said:

Well, the left are a bit less violent than the right.

The protests since Trump was elected suggest otherwise

[brenflys777]

This interview between Jon Snow and Brendan Cox seems political enough to me.

Starts off about his grief then 2:18 in and it turns out Brexit and Trump are divisive, linking this event to an American President and the Brexit process just seems a stretch to me and the comments from Mr Cox would make me feel like I was endorsing a political campaign if I attended one of these events.

https://www.channel4.com/news/jo-cox-husband-propo...

[TTwiggy]

brenflys777 said:

This interview between Jon Snow and Brendan Cox seems political enough to me.

Starts off about his grief then 2:18 in and it turns out Brexit and Trump are divisive, linking this event to an American President and the Brexit process just seems a stretch to me and the comments from Mr Cox would make me feel like I was endorsing a political campaign if I attended one of these events.

https://www.channel4.com/news/jo-cox-husband-propo...

Slightly off topic (not that there's been much ON topic in this thread) I don't see why it's wrong to see Brexit as divisive. The vote split the country almost in half, but one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half. That seems to me to be the very definition of 'divisive'. Add in some of the more lunatic fringe calling remain voters 'traitors' and I'd say he makes a valid point.

[Biker 1]

Halb said:

REALIST123 said:

Whether his motivation, whatever his politics, he does appear to be trying to politicise her death beyond all reason. Time will tell.

Best point.

I think the whole thing is very sad. Can anyone of us imagine politicising a relative's death, be they a politician or not?? Most of us would want to see 'justice done', whatever that means, & then life must go on. Perhaps celebrate an anniversary/birthday, but surely in a dignified manner. The more I read, the more callous the widower appears to be....

[anonymous-user]

TTwiggy said:

...one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half...

Exactly what regard do you want to be given to the views of those who wish to remain? It was an in/out vote. You don't get to leave 52%.

[anonymous-user]

brenflys777 said:

This interview between Jon Snow and Brendan Cox seems political enough to me.

Starts off about his grief then 2:18 in and it turns out Brexit and Trump are divisive, linking this event to an American President and the Brexit process just seems a stretch to me and the comments from Mr Cox would make me feel like I was endorsing a political campaign if I attended one of these events.

https://www.channel4.com/news/jo-cox-husband-propo...

I saw it live last night. It just struck me as typical Ch 4 anti trump stance. I think the guy is using her death for political gain. I cant say I find him at all likeable

[TTwiggy]

fblm said:

TTwiggy said:

...one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half...

Exactly what regard do you want to be given to the views of those who wish to remain? It was an in/out vote. You don't get to leave 52%.

There are plenty of other threads for this conversation. I was simply pointing out that anything which splits a populace almost 50/50 is, by its very nature, bound to be divisive.

[anonymous-user]

TTwiggy said:

There are plenty of other threads for this conversation.

Too many. Good point!

[heebeegeetee]

TTwiggy said:

The vote split the country almost in half, but one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half.

I disagree quite strongly. The vote most certainly did not split the country, the country had been split for some time, decades possibly.

The one half of the country was perfectly happy with completely ignoring the other half, disregarding and writing off one half (if not more) as irrelevant.

People have a vote though. As it happens, we've had some decades where there was little difference between the main parties, both of whom have also been perfectly happy to ignore half the country.

So ignored were this half, that nobody even thought to consider how they might vote in a referendum - and a referendum is indeed a whole lot more binary than a general election is.

So now the ignored half have voted. And guess what, the liberal half are blaming the other half and are not willing to consider their own role in ignoring half the country for years.

I voted remain but I feel I can fully understand why a majority did not, but to blame them or to continue to wish to disregard them massively misses a point imo.

It seems Jo Cox was completely out of touch with the majority of her constituents on this subject, which surprises me not at all.

[TTwiggy]

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not suggested that the result is what has caused division but rather the government's abdication of responsibility which has forced the populace into two opposing groups. Some of the rhetoric used by both sides in the buildup to the vote was also very divisive. Some of the rhetoric used since the vote is equally so.

This is not about the rights of wrongs of leaving the EU, it is about whether or not you feel the country is more or less divided since June 23.

[hyphen]

TTwiggy said:

Is. Some of the rhetoric used by both sides in the buildup to the vote was also very divisive. Some of the rhetoric used since the vote is equally so.

I think it is mostly on the remain side now, as with Cameron & Osbourne gone, any anger on the leave part is mostly dissipated, more so now Article 50 in March is pretty much a given

[Murph7355]

TTwiggy said:

... I'd say he makes a valid point.

You would.

Being "divisive" falls firmly into the camp of "it takes two". It's not something one "side" can do on its own.

[TTwiggy]

hyphen said:

I think it is mostly on the remain side now, as with Cameron & Osbourne gone, any anger on the leave part is mostly dissipated, more so now Article 50 in March is pretty much a given

Brexit is the first time I have been called a traitor for my political beliefs. I imagine it's also the first time others have been called racist for theirs. Hardly cohesive language.

[brenflys777]

TTwiggy said:

Slightly off topic (not that there's been much ON topic in this thread) I don't see why it's wrong to see Brexit as divisive. The vote split the country almost in half, but one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half. That seems to me to be the very definition of 'divisive'. Add in some of the more lunatic fringe calling remain voters 'traitors' and I'd say he makes a valid point.

I disagree.

Without going too far off topic, over 1.2 Million votes is not a narrow win, it was a binary choice and it would be wrong for the minority who wanted to remain to dictate terms having lost.

The term divisive is being used but really it's just a problem for the minority within a minority who can't respect the result or what it means to lose.

In that context is what Brendan Cox doing helping or hindering the process of moving on and finding common ground. In that clip he mentions that we have much more in common but he didn't elaborate. I am concerned that he appears to have attached his wife's name to a non political event (hopefully with permission) and in criticising Trump and Brexit he's trying to associate them with negativity and his politics with a positive community event. Different people react to grief in different ways but I'd be amazed if he isn't making stump type speeches that render this event a political rally. (NHS, immigration policy and austerity cuts at a guess)

[SKP555]

I would say that that was divisive was the act of taking the country in to a political union without popular consent, and the determined effort by the main political parties to keep us in it for over 40 years.

[powerstroke]

SKP555 said:

I would say that that was divisive was the act of taking the country in to a political union without popular consent, and the determined effort by the main political parties to keep us in it for over 40 years.

Nail and head ...

[Mothersruin]

heebeegeetee said:

TTwiggy said:

The vote split the country almost in half, but one side - who won by a narrow margin - seem to be getting everything their way with no regard given to the views of the other (just less than) half.

I disagree quite strongly. The vote most certainly did not split the country, the country had been split for some time, decades possibly.

The one half of the country was perfectly happy with completely ignoring the other half, disregarding and writing off one half (if not more) as irrelevant.

People have a vote though. As it happens, we've had some decades where there was little difference between the main parties, both of whom have also been perfectly happy to ignore half the country.

So ignored were this half, that nobody even thought to consider how they might vote in a referendum - and a referendum is indeed a whole lot more binary than a general election is.

So now the ignored half have voted. And guess what, the liberal half are blaming the other half and are not willing to consider their own role in ignoring half the country for years.

I voted remain but I feel I can fully understand why a majority did not, but to blame them or to continue to wish to disregard them massively misses a point imo.

It seems Jo Cox was completely out of touch with the majority of her constituents on this subject, which surprises me not at all.

Good post.

Classic examples of this were the marches against the Iraq war and countryside fox hunting thing. Right or wrong, 'that lot' rarely protest but when they did they were actively scorned by the government. Completely ignored.

[Mr Snrub]

Mothersruin said:

Good post.

Classic examples of this were the marches against the Iraq war and countryside fox hunting thing. Right or wrong, 'that lot' rarely protest but when they did they were actively scorned by the government. Completely ignored.

Except those who supported fox hunting were a minority

[Mothersruin]

Mr Snrub said:

Mothersruin said:

Good post.

Classic examples of this were the marches against the Iraq war and countryside fox hunting thing. Right or wrong, 'that lot' rarely protest but when they did they were actively scorned by the government. Completely ignored.

Except those who supported fox hunting were a minority

No. Most people didn't give a st but enough people did and marched which rarely happens. It had nothing to do with the welfare of foxes. Everyone knows it was the left having a pop at those it despises at massive cost pushing it through. wkers.

Also, the Majority of the HoL didn't agree and that Blair had to envoke the Parliament Act to override the democratic process.

Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 25th February 12:29

[Mr Snrub]

Mothersruin said:

Mr Snrub said:

Mothersruin said:

Good post.

Classic examples of this were the marches against the Iraq war and countryside fox hunting thing. Right or wrong, 'that lot' rarely protest but when they did they were actively scorned by the government. Completely ignored.

Except those who supported fox hunting were a minority

No. Most people didn't give a st but enough people did and marched which rarely happens. It had nothing to do with the welfare of foxes. Everyone knows it was the left having a pop at those it despises at massive cost pushing it through. wkers.

Also, the Majority of the HoL didn't agree and that Blair had to envoke the Parliament Act to override the democratic process.

Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 25th February 12:29

Well about 60% supported the ban at the time

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/today_uk_imp...

And people are still overwhelmingly in favour

http://www.countryfile.com/explore-countryside/rou...

So those who want it brought back are a minority. But I guess it makes them feel better thinking it was all just envy from those ghastly commoners, not the fact that the majority of people feel "sports" that involve chasing down and killing animals have no place in 21st century Britain.