Car buyers should have 'long, hard think' about diesel

[mondeoman]

csd19 said:

Funkycoldribena said:

wormus said:

About time. Filthy things.

And you don't think it'll be something else after this?

Next it'll be the direct injection petrol engines, as although they are more efficient from mpg and CO2 standpoints, they also produce particulate emissions. So I would expect an enforcement of GPF fitment at some point...

2019 for gpf in Europe, EU6d(t) regs come in that year.

[anonymous-user]

When the make a petrol car that drives as well as my Skoda Superb, gets 60 mpg & costs £30 a year to tax, i'll think about changing it

[Mr Snrub]

Jimboka said:

When the make a petrol car that drives as well as my Skoda Superb, gets 60 mpg & costs £30 a year to tax, i'll think about changing it

Not the fault of those that bought them, but it does show what an utter farce the CO2 taxation system is

[King Herald]

s2art said:

They will raise the tax on diesel fuel.

50++ mpg, £30 a year tax....I shan't be getting rid of mine in a hurry. It is only the government playing their games that has suddenly decided diesels are now 'bad'. They weren't short of facts and figures a few years ago, so... the smell of cow poo is strong on this latest farce.

[Willy Nilly]

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[Fox-]

Diesel is what happens when you impose some of the worlds highest fuel taxes.

If fuel was inexpensive, diesel would not be popular.

I thought long and hard about diesel, decided I didn't want one, and bought one anyway because the market for the type of car I wanted is 99% diesel thanks to decades of government policy resulting in an environment where fuel is expensive, CO2 drives taxation and people thus buy diesels.

Edited by Fox- on Saturday 25th February 18:08

[jas xjr]

some of us do not have a choice. i am looking for a car , having had my previous one written off after a minor bump.
diesel or petrol does not figure as one of my search criteria.
12 months mot
estate or saloon
4/ 5 door
mondeo sized
within 15 miles

thats pretty much it. petrol or diesel does not matter to me , for the amount of driving i do. my preference is for petrol . but at this level , i cannot afford to be fussy.
i am going to look at this tomorrow , hope it is a good one. car shopping at this price is not a pleasure

[techguyone]

@Willy Nilly

I doubt very much your jazz is doing 50 mpg urban, tell me your year & model

My Jazz (trip comp) says low 40's town (more likely high 30's)

2011 EX 1.4

[BoRED S2upid]

davepoth said:

Unlikely. The marginal CO2 emissions saving from diesel are outweighed by the issues caused by NOx and particulates. We're on a fairly short path towards alternative fuel vehicles now anyway, so IMO the next big scandal is going to be the way in which batteries are sent to the developing world for recycling.

Closely followed by a battery tax as soon as people move away from fossil fuel power.

[King Herald]

BoRED S2upid said:

Closely followed by a battery tax as soon as people move away from fossil fuel power.

Eventually people will,realise this is a political and financial game being played, not an attempt to save the planet....

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

I thought diesels were pretty clean now what with more efficient injection systems and DPF filters?
Is air quality really getting worse or are they just lowering the limits?

I remember when trucks started fitting cab roof level exhaust pipes and my Dad thought it was great...no more driving in thick black smoke.

[V40Vinnie]

The thing is though we're missing the bigger picture, we have gotten so used to just buying and insuring cars that we have forgotten the simple fact is none of us have a right to own them anyway its a privelidge. The govt would rather put us on Pubic transport its just they also cant be arsed to fund and run it

[davepoth]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

I thought diesels were pretty clean now what with more efficient injection systems and DPF filters?
Is air quality really getting worse or are they just lowering the limits?

I remember when trucks started fitting cab roof level exhaust pipes and my Dad thought it was great...no more driving in thick black smoke.

They "cheated". DPFs don't get rid of the soot, they just hold it until the car is driven on a motorway when they "regenerate" and throw a week's worth of town driving out of the back in one go. They also don't catch the smaller particles, or do anything about NOx emissions.

[andy43]

The EU caved in to lobbying from the German manufacturers and here we are.
Japan moved towards EV and hybrid research and better petrol engines while we were forced to accept ever cleverer diesels through taxing CO2 emissions.
We have a diesel VW with wheelchair ramp through motability. It's f ing awful - if they sold a petrol version we would have 'rented' that.
Hateful things, we can move away from diesels easily enough now, but the problem is on the used market - there's very little petrol powered choice because of the way the EU skewed the market. It'll be the lower end of the market that bears the brunt, the buyers who are stuck with knackered old diesels not through choice but because of a limited budget. Which mr mayor wants to reduce still further through extra taxation.

[Vipers]

Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.

[Oilchange]

What's this 'Eventually'? I thought everyone knew it's a money scavenging process.

Petrol engines buses would be better provided they can switch to lpg within a mile or two. Cleanest fuel out there.

[davepoth]

Vipers said:

Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.

Not petrol, but lots of LPG options oddly.

[Vipers]

davepoth said:

Vipers said:

Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.

Not petrol, but lots of LPG options oddly.

In common use I wonder.

For info :- http://londonist.com/2016/09/london-bus-facts

Edited by Vipers on Saturday 25th February 19:45

[AmitG]

Saleen836 said:

I would happily have a petrol van if it cost me the same to run as my diesel one, I would even consider the electric van from Nissan but the cost to buy and it's 70-80 mile range (most likely 50-60miles with the weight I carry) is very restrictive, and I have yet to see a new build construction site with a charging point for electric vehicles!

Surely a hybrid van is the answer.

My local Toyota sales chap says that a hybrid van is his number 1 request, by far. Apparently loads of business customers are asking Toyota for it. He reckons they would get a large part of the UK van market virtually overnight.

Makes me wonder why they don't do it.

[AmitG]

davepoth said:

Vipers said:

Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.

Not petrol, but lots of LPG options oddly.

In London we have diesel hybrid buses which can run in EV mode at low speeds, but only for very short distances. For example the "New Routemaster" buses are diesel hybrid. We also have a few hydrogen powered and pure EV buses, but they seem to be in "evaluation mode" rather than full fledged usage.