Heseltine Sacked
Discussion
Allsmokeandmirrors said:
Conservative Deputy Prime Minister, said he believed the UK will one day adopt the Euro “when the time is right”.”
When hell freezes over perchance?
I have a hard time understanding the remainer point of view and subsequent hysterical squealing from them, if they dont like what the majority voted for why dont they just clear off and live in europe?
Itd be quieter and far more peaceful here without their constant whining.
What you say is common sense, for sure. But people like him, the elite just won’t stand for it. When you get your own way all the time, how dare the scum masses foil his plans. When hell freezes over perchance?
I have a hard time understanding the remainer point of view and subsequent hysterical squealing from them, if they dont like what the majority voted for why dont they just clear off and live in europe?
Itd be quieter and far more peaceful here without their constant whining.
It is becoming more and more obvious that it can't be any coincidence most of the frantic Remainders have enjoyed the largesse of EU gratitude funds for continued support, or even lasting or future pension prospects, or business funding for companies they have an understanding with. When I say 'understanding' I mean both ongoing interests or prospective employment when or if they lose their seats.
Heseltine, the renegade that defied House rules by seizing the Mace from its ceremonial cradle and brandishing it over his head in support of British traditions, now would prefer to surrender independence to an unelected cabal of fiercely protected private officials who cannot be removed by anyone other than themselves. He is mad, bad, and no danger anymore. He is a disgrace and thankfully irrelevant.
Heseltine, the renegade that defied House rules by seizing the Mace from its ceremonial cradle and brandishing it over his head in support of British traditions, now would prefer to surrender independence to an unelected cabal of fiercely protected private officials who cannot be removed by anyone other than themselves. He is mad, bad, and no danger anymore. He is a disgrace and thankfully irrelevant.
Thorodin said:
Heseltine, the renegade that defied House rules by seizing the Mace from its ceremonial cradle and brandishing it over his head in support of British traditions, now would prefer to surrender independence to an unelected cabal of fiercely protected private officials who cannot be removed by anyone other than themselves.
British traditions aren't usually to give up and run away from our problems like cowards so I see his point of view regarding Brexit.Thorodin said:
It is becoming more and more obvious that it can't be any coincidence most of the frantic Remainders have enjoyed the largesse of EU gratitude funds for continued support, or even lasting or future pension prospects, or business funding for companies they have an understanding with. When I say 'understanding' I mean both ongoing interests or prospective employment when or if they lose their seats.
Heseltine, the renegade that defied House rules by seizing the Mace from its ceremonial cradle and brandishing it over his head in support of British traditions, now would prefer to surrender independence to an unelected cabal of fiercely protected private officials who cannot be removed by anyone other than themselves. He is mad, bad, and no danger anymore. He is a disgrace and thankfully irrelevant.
Yep, cbi, BBC, environment agency etc etc all get bungs. Big business ( lets be honest some are huge) get cheap labour. Heseltine, the renegade that defied House rules by seizing the Mace from its ceremonial cradle and brandishing it over his head in support of British traditions, now would prefer to surrender independence to an unelected cabal of fiercely protected private officials who cannot be removed by anyone other than themselves. He is mad, bad, and no danger anymore. He is a disgrace and thankfully irrelevant.
Trolleys Thank You said:
Allsmokeandmirrors said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
British traditions aren't usually to give up and run away from our problems like cowards so I see his point of view regarding Brexit.
17.5 million voters are cowards? You still wanna run with it?
Trolleys Thank You said:
British traditions aren't usually to give up and run away from our problems like cowards so I see his point of view regarding Brexit.
There may be a disconnect here. Are you aware of the events and circs surrounding his Tarzan act with the Mace? Give up and run? Run to where? Fighting to regain independence is far from cowardice. Rather the opposite. Deliberately trying to conspire to thwart the democratic settled will of the people is hardly admirable. For a dyed-in-the-wool Conservative peer to state Brexit presents a bigger disaster to the UK than a Corbyn government pretty much draws a chalk line around his body.
The arguments about ‘whether’ were done and they are now about ‘how’. A man who has throughout his life championed the freedoms of democracy (from a position of wealth and security) and used his alleged patriotism (the last refuge…?) to his considerable advantage deserves opprobrium by the helicopter load.
Allsmokeandmirrors said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
Allsmokeandmirrors said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
British traditions aren't usually to give up and run away from our problems like cowards so I see his point of view regarding Brexit.
17.5 million voters are cowards? You still wanna run with it?
poo at Paul's said:
Perik Omo said:
I see that there are moves afoot to have the Conservative whip removed from him so that he an no longer sit on the Tory benches in the Lords due to his perceived treachery.
Good, the Turncoat.You may or may not like what he stands for. That too is your perogative.
From where I'm standing, however, he appears to be standing up for the same principles and beliefs that he has held throughout his political career.
The use of the term "turncoat" is therefore just plain ill informed stupidity unless, to be generous, you don't really understand the meaning of the word.
If there are any "turncoats" around it is those HoC MPs, a majority of which were pro-Europe and pro-remain prior to the referendum, suddenly "seeing the light" because they perceive their careers are in jeopardy if they don't. "Stuff my beliefs and principles - I want to know where my next pay cheque is coming from." Gravy train riders, some might say.
I am certainly hoping that this nonsense will blow over because, if it doesn't, then it looks to the rest of the civilised world that the UK is in the business of stifling its political opposition. There will be some very special bedfellows down that path, none of which are particularly savoury.
I will not mention the "H word" but he was good at it, as was Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, uncle Bob Mugabe and the Ayatollahs to name but a few. See any names there you'd be happy for the UK to be associated with?
rs1952 said:
You may or may not like Michael Hesseltine. That is your perogative.
You may or may not like what he stands for. That too is your perogative.
From where I'm standing, however, he appears to be standing up for the same principles and beliefs that he has held throughout his political career.
The use of the term "turncoat" is therefore just plain ill informed stupidity unless, to be generous, you don't really understand the meaning of the word.
If there are any "turncoats" around it is those HoC MPs, a majority of which were pro-Europe and pro-remain prior to the referendum, suddenly "seeing the light" because they perceive their careers are in jeopardy if they don't. "Stuff my beliefs and principles - I want to know where my next pay cheque is coming from." Gravy train riders, some might say.
I am certainly hoping that this nonsense will blow over because, if it doesn't, then it looks to the rest of the civilised world that the UK is in the business of stifling its political opposition. There will be some very special bedfellows down that path, none of which are particularly savoury.
I will not mention the "H word" but he was good at it, as was Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, uncle Bob Mugabe and the Ayatollahs to name but a few. See any names there you'd be happy for the UK to be associated with?
Turncoat? That means renegade. Pretty accurate I thought.You may or may not like what he stands for. That too is your perogative.
From where I'm standing, however, he appears to be standing up for the same principles and beliefs that he has held throughout his political career.
The use of the term "turncoat" is therefore just plain ill informed stupidity unless, to be generous, you don't really understand the meaning of the word.
If there are any "turncoats" around it is those HoC MPs, a majority of which were pro-Europe and pro-remain prior to the referendum, suddenly "seeing the light" because they perceive their careers are in jeopardy if they don't. "Stuff my beliefs and principles - I want to know where my next pay cheque is coming from." Gravy train riders, some might say.
I am certainly hoping that this nonsense will blow over because, if it doesn't, then it looks to the rest of the civilised world that the UK is in the business of stifling its political opposition. There will be some very special bedfellows down that path, none of which are particularly savoury.
I will not mention the "H word" but he was good at it, as was Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, uncle Bob Mugabe and the Ayatollahs to name but a few. See any names there you'd be happy for the UK to be associated with?
On a general but associated note, where do you place electoral choice? Or do they have none other than in a general election? Useful to bear in mind that although Leave or Remain was in no manifesto but the referendum was, along with the promise that it would be recognised. That’s democracy.
Nobody really knows but I would have thought the rest of the so-called civilised world would look long and hard at that and wish they had the progressive government we have. It looks as though, subject to a parliamentary debate, the only bedfellows are honourable.
Talking of bedfellows, to conflate cruelly vicious dictators with those elected MP’s who consider the wishes of the majority of their constituents and put them first is more than a bit strong. Further, to help to make it possible for an alternative government, self-confessed totalitarian followers of Marx and Lenin in its composition, to replace the present one as Heseltine has done is, to most of the electorate, heresy.
It’s true he has for most of his political life been in thrall to Europe while riding on the coat tails of the Conservatives. To actively conspire with the likes of Blair and Mandelson et al gives his true colours, wrapped in a flag of convenience. Liking or not liking his ilk is irrelevant, he is beyond the pale whatever the wind that blows him.
By the way, who said "Stuff my beliefs and principles- I want to know where my next paycheck is coming from"? I use your speech marks which indicate 'he/she said this'.
Edited by Thorodin on Thursday 28th December 16:08
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