Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
technodup said:
Quite angry isn't he? You'd almost think he's a bit worried Saint Nicola's crown is about to fall off. Wee Ginger Dug was at it as well with 'DTBs' (dirty Tory b
ds).
You say that kind of thing against ANY other group in society and you'd be castigated for it. It seems in the 'best wee country in the world' pretty much anyone is welcome, except if you happen to believe in low taxes, the individual over the state and spending within your means.
Although frankly I'd question the Tories' commitment to the above these days.
ds).You say that kind of thing against ANY other group in society and you'd be castigated for it. It seems in the 'best wee country in the world' pretty much anyone is welcome, except if you happen to believe in low taxes, the individual over the state and spending within your means.
Although frankly I'd question the Tories' commitment to the above these days.
Couldn't agree more.A.J.M said:
That's that friendly all welcoming civic nationalism right there.
I think we will see a few story MPs, not sure on 12 but I do think that there will be a few.
Ruth has been doing a good job of opposition and more people are coming to her side.
If you'd asked me a few years ago if the Tories would ever return to Scotland I'd have laughed at you and said it would never happen. The hatred for them was so strong it would require a a complete lack of faith in the other parties for any vote to go their way. Now people are beginning to see how useless the SNP are I think we'll certainly see a few seats turning blue. Especially with Labour and the Lib Dems not being seen as that credible.I think we will see a few story MPs, not sure on 12 but I do think that there will be a few.
Ruth has been doing a good job of opposition and more people are coming to her side.
SNP legacy - the miracle of bringing the Tories back to Scotland
FN2TypeR said:
technodup said:
Quite angry isn't he? You'd almost think he's a bit worried Saint Nicola's crown is about to fall off. Wee Ginger Dug was at it as well with 'DTBs' (dirty Tory bds).
You say that kind of thing against ANY other group in society and you'd be castigated for it. It seems in the 'best wee country in the world' pretty much anyone is welcome, except if you happen to believe in low taxes, the individual over the state and spending within your means.
Although frankly I'd question the Tories' commitment to the above these days.
ds).You say that kind of thing against ANY other group in society and you'd be castigated for it. It seems in the 'best wee country in the world' pretty much anyone is welcome, except if you happen to believe in low taxes, the individual over the state and spending within your means.
Although frankly I'd question the Tories' commitment to the above these days.
Couldn't agree more.I'd rather tartan Tories (hacks) with a inside line to shape government policy towards Scottish governance and fiscal recovery that a bunch who couldn't find employment at Billy Smarts Circus as clowns.
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
Strocky said:
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
That aside, you have to admit that in any other context, WoS would be condemned as a complete lunatic. andy_s said:
Strocky said:
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
That aside, you have to admit that in any other context, WoS would be condemned as a complete lunatic. 
Strocky said:
He's an arse of a boy with an ego the size of Hampden Park.
Something you've already acknowledged, and credit to you. 
The problem though is that he is now an entrenched part of the SNP 'brand' and has received several direct endorsements from SNP elected members. The SNP could and should have done themselves a favour by performing even some cursory investigations into his background (court proceedings and reports are public domain, BTW
)and then advised their representatives to maintain at best a discretionary silence regarding WoS.You could say the same about the SNP candidate selection process (I am sure that there are people within SNP ranks who will be hoping the electorate do them a favour by binning some of their more 'out there' MPs such as Wishart and Monaghan, who haven't been quite bad enough to cut their own throats like Thomson and McGarry).
Strocky said:
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
You are defending the indensible comments. You must at some point look clearly into a mirror and realise the abyss of your thoughts, beliefs and comments. The connection between the SNP supporters such as wings and the Nazi Party propaganda are crystal clear and yet still you cannot command from within your hollow shell the small amount of human decency necessary to convincingly condemn them.
E24man said:
Strocky said:
The irony from dumb and dumber on here calling out about abusive labeling (not that I agree with wholesale labeling a group based on their politics), given the bile & vitriol they've posted about Independence supporters & politicians on this thread, is stunning in it's lack of self awareness
You are defending the indensible comments. You must at some point look clearly into a mirror and realise the abyss of your thoughts, beliefs and comments. The connection between the SNP supporters such as wings and the Nazi Party propaganda are crystal clear and yet still you cannot command from within your hollow shell the small amount of human decency necessary to convincingly condemn them.
And the SNP government lies are coming home to roost daily..
"According to the Scottish Government, crime is at a 42-year-low. Justice Secretary Michael Matheson recently welcomed the progress Police Scotland has made, praising their “excellent” work to slash crime rates.
But today’s Sunday Post revelations scotch those plaudits.
Police Scotland’s figures show there were 1720 instances of people caught carrying offensive weapons, including knives, in the first half of 2016-17.
But the force’s statistical experts have been omitting some knife crimes from figures presented to the Scottish Government in a policy known as subsuming crimes...."
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-police-scotla...
"According to the Scottish Government, crime is at a 42-year-low. Justice Secretary Michael Matheson recently welcomed the progress Police Scotland has made, praising their “excellent” work to slash crime rates.
But today’s Sunday Post revelations scotch those plaudits.
Police Scotland’s figures show there were 1720 instances of people caught carrying offensive weapons, including knives, in the first half of 2016-17.
But the force’s statistical experts have been omitting some knife crimes from figures presented to the Scottish Government in a policy known as subsuming crimes...."
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-police-scotla...
kowalski655 said:
Sylvaforever said:
Sub-human eh.
I've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
exitwound said:
I work very hard for my wedge and I want it to stay in my wallet.. Not interested in subsidising the socialist lifestyles. I'm no Tory, but why would I want to vote myself an income tax rise?? Instead of a nation of handouts and subsidies, it should encourage hard work and enterprise to create wealth.
I've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
You support and endorse Tory economic policy and I'm assuming will vote Tory based on that and there's nothing wrong with that, if that's the prism you view through, however the phrase you uttered "I'm no Tory" is patently untrueI've worked under a labour govt before that hit me with 45p in the pound, some of these 'working class heroes' need to try that.
Corbyn's socialist utopia (check out his wee 2 up 2 down 'in a row' house and his tractor workers hat, that says it all!!) of govt sponsored, health, industry, food, clothing, housing, transport, holidays etc all paid for by us, the real workers, sounds as much of a nightmare as it did in 1969. NS and Patsy Harvie have the same dream. F*ck them..
Forget Pistonheads, its public transport for you if they get their way..
Btw don't tell anyone but the SNP aren't as socialist as they'd make you believe
Sylvaforever said:
And the SNP government lies are coming home to roost daily..
"According to the Scottish Government, crime is at a 42-year-low. Justice Secretary Michael Matheson recently welcomed the progress Police Scotland has made, praising their “excellent” work to slash crime rates.
But today’s Sunday Post revelations scotch those plaudits.
Police Scotland’s figures show there were 1720 instances of people caught carrying offensive weapons, including knives, in the first half of 2016-17.
But the force’s statistical experts have been omitting some knife crimes from figures presented to the Scottish Government in a policy known as subsuming crimes...."
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-police-scotla...
Unfortunate use of 'slashing' in the article aside, it's Police Scotland figures, given to the PA and in turn given to the Govt., and Police services country-wide have historically massaged figures to give a better impression for decades [Screwdriver damage to the outside of a patio door - Attempted burglary in reality but 'minor damage, advice given' for recording purposes etc] - reigned in now and again where any statistical increase can be blamed on the change in method of reporting and so on we go. "According to the Scottish Government, crime is at a 42-year-low. Justice Secretary Michael Matheson recently welcomed the progress Police Scotland has made, praising their “excellent” work to slash crime rates.
But today’s Sunday Post revelations scotch those plaudits.
Police Scotland’s figures show there were 1720 instances of people caught carrying offensive weapons, including knives, in the first half of 2016-17.
But the force’s statistical experts have been omitting some knife crimes from figures presented to the Scottish Government in a policy known as subsuming crimes...."
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-police-scotla...
Even the leaked memo itself is ambiguous in its potential interpretation and presents no clearer a directive: [my bold]
“From 1 April 2017, where an offensive weapon or an article with a blade or point has been used in the commission of a crime, the possession of the knife/weapon or bladed article will no longer be subsumed into the substantive crime and should be the subject of an additional ‘possession’ crime.”
The possible interpretation being that if someone burgles a house, is caught and also has a knife - which he did not use in the commission of the offence, then the knife is not recorded separately to the substantive charge - potentially at least.
PS aren't unique in this fudging and technically there is no link back to Govt. or specifically the SNP, but we know how the world works and it suites the short term interest of PS, PA, Govt. and more importantly the careers of those in the key positions to massage these figures. Unfortunately in the long run this is both damaging for the public (lost analysis, lost opportunity to target criminals, lost opportunities in crime prevention), the Police themselves (lower crime > lower budget needs > fewer resources > higher crime) but ultimately - qui bono - the Govt themselves (either they know and are complicit or they know not and are incompetent).
Perhaps the other concerning aspect of this article is the refusal to comply with FoI act requests on numerous occasions. So much for 'open and transparent...'.
Edited by andy_s on Monday 24th April 17:12
kowalski655 said:
All nasty Tory benefit cuts...That the SNP could choose to take over, if they were not totally incompetent
But they aren't 'nasty Tory benefit cuts' - they are soundbite narratives hyperbolised to appeal to the hard of thinking. There is no such thing as the 'bedroom tax' (to the extent that the media prefix the term with the phrase 'so-called'). Neither is there a 'rape clause', and as for the 'stealing mobility cars from the disabled' I think the late Arnold Clark had more to lose from the increased monitoring of the abuse of the Motability Car scheme than any genuinely disabled individual.All of course could be adjusted by ScotGov using devolved welfare powers, but why bother when they can sit on their hands over the issue, confident that their lies blaming a powerless opposition will be believed by a percentage of the populous. Or could it be that there is no issue and it is all just hype to stir the hate, or horror of horrors - the SNP actually agree with the measures?
Strocky said:
BTW don't tell anyone but the SNP aren't as socialist as they'd make you believe.
Quite! It is the making believe bit that I have the biggest problem with though - utterly and blatantly misrepresenting themselves to achieve an end that the majority don't want by riding the back of support for policies that they themselves don't believe in.On a related note, my brother and his paraplegic wife invariably 'share' any social media post echoing these bulls
t soundbites, yet despite their particular circle of friends and acquaintances they know of no-one who has been disadvantaged by the alleged 'Tory cuts'. This is the same brother of mine who gave up a well-paid job at Sky TV to register as a carer for his missus (who managed very well on her own before he met her, and she has the photographs of herself piloting the sailing boats to prove it) because it would increase their household income.Edited by r11co on Monday 24th April 18:57
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