Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[hidetheelephants]

kowalski655 said:

That says mine will still be SNP
But for the best chance of an upset do I go for the Tories,who came second in the local elections, or the lib dem guy, who was the MP up till 2015, when the Tories really came nowhere.

Look up your constituency on Electoral Calculus; it says my best bet for a protest vote is blue and the potential for an upset seems to have improved a lot in the last two weeks, the blue chance of winning was under 40% the last time I looked and it's now 44%. Given the previous incumbent was a Libdem the constituency seems to have moved on and abandoned Farron and his band, their predicted poll share is dire.

[FN2TypeR]

Garvin said:

kowalski655 said:

That says mine will still be SNP
But for the best chance of an upset do I go for the Tories,who came second in the local elections, or the lib dem guy, who was the MP up till 2015, when the Tories really came nowhere.

For the best chance of an upset go Tory. I'm afraid Farron has killed the LibDems almost everywhere.

Hilarious isn't it?

[ASA569]

technodup said:

That's got the pompous fat prick Nicholson losing to Jo Swinson in East Dunbartonshire,

Yes please.

If we get rid of any out of him, Robertson and Salmond it would be a good win.

Sadly I think Salmond will get in again as there will be a split of votes between the Lib Dems and the Tories. He'll have a smaller majority but he'll still win which is a real shame because I don't think he's done anything for Gordon since becoming MP in 2015.

According to the Electoral Calculus the Tories have the best bet in ousting him - used to be a Lib Dem stronghold though and many will continue to vote for them because they remember how good an MP Sir Malcolm Bruce was. Hey ho, let's see what Friday brings

[slipstream 1985]

The irony that if scotland just voted tory and got rid of the snp the tories would have more reason to invest more here.

[NoddyonNitrous]

Salmond's sister is contesting the Borders MSP constituency seat for the SNP; looks like Rachael Hamilton will hold the blue line though.

[kowalski655]

hidetheelephants said:

kowalski655 said:

That says mine will still be SNP
But for the best chance of an upset do I go for the Tories,who came second in the local elections, or the lib dem guy, who was the MP up till 2015, when the Tories really came nowhere.

Look up your constituency on Electoral Calculus; it says my best bet for a protest vote is blue and the potential for an upset seems to have improved a lot in the last two weeks, the blue chance of winning was under 40% the last time I looked and it's now 44%. Given the previous incumbent was a Libdem the constituency seems to have moved on and abandoned Farron and his band, their predicted poll share is dire.

Wow...didn't realise the Tories had such a gain!! Quite a turn around!

[FN2TypeR]

kowalski655 said:

Wow...didn't realise the Tories had such a gain!! Quite a turn around!

It might amount to nuthin' due to FPTP though

[hidetheelephants]

It's just one pollster, there are others which put the local tory share at anything between 25-38% so what Thursday will bring is anyone's guess. There are local issues which might play with the average voter; the submarine base is the largest single employer in the constituency by an order of magnitude so Labour's schizoid support for the deterrent doesn't impress and the SNP are unilateralists, if tourism(the other big source of employment here in the sticks) takes a hit from brexit then at least the Sleek Black Bringers of Death(TM) will need looking after for the foreseeable future.

[Silverbullet767]

Ah jesus, the seat details page for Central Ayrshire.

I'm boned.

SNP 74%
LAB 8%
CON 18%

[FN2TypeR]

Aberdeen South for me, a good chanted going blue apparently

[Pooh]

Perth and North Perthshire for me, it looks like there is a good chance of Pete Wishart losing his seat and I would be delighted to see that.

[Alpacaman]

Anther good blog from the out of touch unionist for any nationalist who still believes the snp slogan "stronger for Scotland"

https://theoutoftouchunionist.wordpress.com/2017/0...

[Norfolkit]

kowalski655 said:

hidetheelephants said:

kowalski655 said:

That says mine will still be SNP
But for the best chance of an upset do I go for the Tories,who came second in the local elections, or the lib dem guy, who was the MP up till 2015, when the Tories really came nowhere.

Look up your constituency on Electoral Calculus; it says my best bet for a protest vote is blue and the potential for an upset seems to have improved a lot in the last two weeks, the blue chance of winning was under 40% the last time I looked and it's now 44%. Given the previous incumbent was a Libdem the constituency seems to have moved on and abandoned Farron and his band, their predicted poll share is dire.

Wow...didn't realise the Tories had such a gain!! Quite a turn around!

Farron is toxic for the Lib Dems, he's trying to be all things to all people and is ending up alienating everyone.

[Ridgemont]

Alpacaman said:

Anther good blog from the out of touch unionist for any nationalist who still believes the snp slogan "stronger for Scotland"

https://theoutoftouchunionist.wordpress.com/2017/0...

Jesus: I'd spotted the baby package thing, but had no idea that this nonsense was included in it:

blog said:

In an interesting side note and related to the SNP controlling culture, every baby box comes with a poem, written in ‘Scots’ by the Makar:

O ma darlin wee one

At last you are here in the wurld

And wi’ aa your wisdom

Your een bricht as the stars,

You’ve filled this hoose with licht,

Yer trusty wee haun, your globe o’ a heid,

My cherished yin, my hert’s ain!

O my darlin wee one

The hale wurld welcomes ye:

The mune glowes; the hearth wairms.

Let your life hae luck, health, charm,

Ye are my bonny blessed bairn,

My small miraculous gift.

I never kent luve like this.

[perdu]

Jeez.

[technodup]

Silverbullet767 said:

Ah jesus, the seat details page for Central Ayrshire.

I'm boned.

SNP 74%
LAB 8%
CON 18%

Not as boned as me. Glasgow South.

SNP 79%
LAB 12%
CON 9%
Green 0%
LIB 0%

[Gecko1978]

Serious question is Scot's an actual language because to me its a bit like speaking in Scouse or Geordie or perhaps Jafrikan (that thing white middle class teens do to sound street init).

Basically the language is English and you speak it badly - were the poem in Gallic I could understand but just writing it poorly with broken English seems a bit dim. A bit like SNP MP's givenig the oath in Scots its a bit like saying I can't read very well or talk very well. Where as giving it in Gallic might be more like saying actually I prefer to give it in my native language.

Anyway its just a question I never understood speaking in a way that was not clear etc

[r11co]

Gecko1978 said:

Basically the language is English and you speak it badly.

This, but the academics and 'free thinkers' will say that language evolves and even English as we know it is defined differently from a few centuries or even a few decades ago. Fair point, but 'Scots' is an artificial contrivance - an attempt to define what is ultimately slang and lazy speech. There is no consistency between areas of the country - travel from Glasgow westwards towards Ayrshire and then south and you will hear about twenty different versions of 'Scots' (all just malformed English).

You only need to see how the 'Makar' has attempted to phonetically spell the work love ('luve') to see what a load of bks the whole thing is.

[Alpacaman]

Gecko1978 said:

Serious question is Scot's an actual language because to me its a bit like speaking in Scouse or Geordie or perhaps Jafrikan (that thing white middle class teens do to sound street init).

Basically the language is English and you speak it badly - were the poem in Gallic I could understand but just writing it poorly with broken English seems a bit dim. A bit like SNP MP's givenig the oath in Scots its a bit like saying I can't read very well or talk very well. Where as giving it in Gallic might be more like saying actually I prefer to give it in my native language.

Anyway its just a question I never understood speaking in a way that was not clear etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_dialect_(Scotland)

It's another thing the SNP like to encourage, like the use of Gaelic, mainly because it is their way of trying to prove how different Scots are from the rest of the UK. There is an advert on up here for a kitchen/bathroom place who do all their adverts in doric, I find them so annoying I have to mute the TV.

[Gecko1978]

r11co said:

Gecko1978 said:

Basically the language is English and you speak it badly.

This, but the academics and 'free thinkers' will say that language evolves and even English as we know it is defined differently from a few centuries or even a few decades ago. Fair point, but 'Scots' is an artificial contrivance - an attempt to define what is ultimately slang and lazy speech. There is no consistency between areas of the country - travel from Glasgow westwards towards Ayrshire and then south and you will hear about twenty different versions of 'Scots' (all just malformed English).

You only need to see how the 'Makar' has attempted to phonetically spell the work love ('luve') to see what a load of bks the whole thing is.

I get the evolution of language but I think your right this is not that this is just talking like a tw@t when you know better - for example I might have said in the 80s at school something was "well bad" Yet knowing better I would not write it in an email at work today eg:

The figures you have provided on the various risk scenarios are "Well bad init Fam"

and then go on to say:

"ya ken whot am sayin hen'"

apologies there to those that can (if the choose) speak "Scots" at my poor example

Sending a poem in Scots to new borne babies seems contrived why not send it in Gallic with an English translation so they might learn something of the nations culture from birth rather than provide a badly written mess as an example of Scottish culture