Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
FN2TypeR said:
Panelbase poling results:
Scottish parliamentary voting intention (const):
SNP: 42% (-5)
CON: 28% (+6)
LAB: 22% (-1)
LDEM: 6% (-2)
via @Panelbase
Chgs w 2016 result
Scottish independence voting intention:
Yes: 43% (-1)
No: 57% (+1)
via @Panelbase, 31 Aug - 07 Sep
To those based up there, do you think May has had a negative influence and/or Corbyn a positive one?Scottish parliamentary voting intention (const):
SNP: 42% (-5)
CON: 28% (+6)
LAB: 22% (-1)
LDEM: 6% (-2)
via @Panelbase
Chgs w 2016 result
Scottish independence voting intention:
Yes: 43% (-1)
No: 57% (+1)
via @Panelbase, 31 Aug - 07 Sep
Ruth Davidson seems to be a very positive influence, but am wondering if she's countered somewhat by the May effect.
As someone from south of the border I'd love to see the SNP kicked into touch...but those figures suggest that's some way off yet.
Murph7355 said:
To those based up there, do you think May has had a negative influence and/or Corbyn a positive one?
I think Corbyn will appeal to more SNPers than May will for sure. However if you are uber SNP they are both colonial oppressors taking the food off Scotland's plate, so parties and personalities don't come into it.I'm heartened by the Indy poll, but still confused as to why the SNP poll so highly more generally. I think some of that is the Sturgeon effect. There are apparently people who, rather than be utterly reviled by every word which comes out her nae-lipped mouth, think she is some sort of stateswoman, fighting Scotland's corner across the world.
Once she's gone they're f
ked. And she can't hang around forever. technodup said:
think Corbyn will appeal to more SNPers than May will for sure. However if you are uber SNP they are both colonial oppressors taking the food off Scotland's plate, so parties and personalities don't come into it.
I'm heartened by the Indy poll, but still confused as to why the SNP poll so highly more generally. I think some of that is the Sturgeon effect. There are apparently people who, rather than be utterly reviled by every word which comes out her nae-lipped mouth, think she is some sort of stateswoman, fighting Scotland's corner across the world.
Once she's gone they're fked. And she can't hang around forever.
She's not that old!I'm heartened by the Indy poll, but still confused as to why the SNP poll so highly more generally. I think some of that is the Sturgeon effect. There are apparently people who, rather than be utterly reviled by every word which comes out her nae-lipped mouth, think she is some sort of stateswoman, fighting Scotland's corner across the world.
Once she's gone they're f
ked. And she can't hang around forever. If people are still voting her way despite what I read about services up there etc, then how will they ever lose their grip on Scotland?
The Conservatives gaining ground is no surprise to me. RD is one of the more sensible politicians north or south to me.
Labour seem to be going through the mire a bit up there too.
technodup said:
There's no 'others' about it. We're all British.
In spite of what the separatists think.
No, not really. Look at how people self-identify in the 2011 census and 62% identified as Scottish only, with 18% as Scottish and British, and only 8% as British. Scots are increasingly identifying as Scots firstly, then British, or exclusively as Scots. Across the UK, the percentage who identified solely as British is low, with the exception of Northern Ireland Protestants and within London (within boroughs that contain high levels of immigrants.) So, it seems that the British are now mostly Irish or from foreign parentage.In spite of what the separatists think.
Murph7355 said:
She's not that old!
She's got a shelf life though. She's been deputy leader/leader/FM for 13 years. Past Cameron and into Blair territory. And whilst I question wtf she actually does of any use, I don't doubt that every waking hour is spent going somewhere, speaking bks to some committee, writing some bks for a paper, fundraising at some bks event, going on telly to moan bks about Brexit etc etc. Which eventually takes it's toll. Plus of course there's the party - she/Salmond failed to deliver independence. She's failed to deliver another referendum. She's failed (or will fail) to keep us in the EU. By all accounts most of her flagship policies are also failures. She's a busted flush. Question is does she accept it first, or does the party? Step aside or regicide?I suspect the desperate lack of any credible replacement will keep her on a bit longer.
B210bandit said:
Fannies are increasingly identifying as Scots firstly, then British, or exclusively as Scots.
FTFY. At least in England people realise and are comfortable with the idea that London will be making more decisions for them as powers return from the EU (no "regional assemblies" nonsense). In Scotland, the whole issue of devolution has created a mindset that people living in an area are best placed to make decisions affecting their lives. A whole generation is probably growing up not understanding that they should fall into line like the rest of England does. It's very dangerous and not what is needed during Brexit.
Leithen said:
technodup said:
Leithen said:
So, the Queensferry Crossing has been a rip roaring success I see. 
Has it fallen down?Consistent.
Garvin said:
Leithen said:
technodup said:
Leithen said:
So, the Queensferry Crossing has been a rip roaring success I see.
Has it fallen down?Consistent.
To be fair, I came over it an hour ago, Southbound, and it was a clear run. However that was not at rush hour.
My father in law is a civil engineer in Hong Kong - born and brought up in Scotland he has always had a soft spot for the original bridge and road bridge. He's astonished that the new one isn't a full three lane with additional hard shoulder design.
The southbound joints are no better than the northbound either - 70mph may be interesting for some.
My father in law is a civil engineer in Hong Kong - born and brought up in Scotland he has always had a soft spot for the original bridge and road bridge. He's astonished that the new one isn't a full three lane with additional hard shoulder design.
The southbound joints are no better than the northbound either - 70mph may be interesting for some.
B210bandit said:
At least in England people realise and are comfortable with the idea that London will be making more decisions for them as powers return from the EU (no "regional assemblies" nonsense). In Scotland, the whole issue of devolution has created a mindset that people living in an area are best placed to make decisions affecting their lives.
That being the case it made Nicola's marketing of another independence referendum as a proxy for Scotland remaining in the EU all the more oxymoronic.Anyhoo, the cultist believers are still determined to drive the SNP right off the cliff. Any false pretext for calling another indyref, despite vote-share for independence backing parties being about-or-below the level it started from just before indyref 1 was called.
This 'power grab' thing is a load of bulls
t. The powers currently reside with the EU so they were never in the jurisdiction of the devolved assemblies. How can you lose what you never had?Edited by r11co on Tuesday 12th September 13:46
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