Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[technodup]

r11co said:

B210bandit said:

Ian974 said:

B210bandit said:

A not unlikely scenario.

Following independence, it is highly unlikely the UK will choose to cease trading with Scotland. It would simply not be either party's interest to do so. Those peddling the project fear stuff need a reality check.

Does the same argument apply if you switch UK for EU and Scotland for UK?

Yes.

I always said SNats just don't do irony, or self awareness for that matter.

Has he just done a complete about turn since yesterday?


I'm not sure I can keep up with his speed of mind.

[B210bandit]

No inconsistency. Self-determination for both England and Scotland is not incompatible.

[technodup]

You agreed with Burger about his Project Fear Brexit scenario, now you're saying Project Fear for independence is to be ignored as it'll all be rosy?

You're more mental than the other one.

[Rollin]

B210bandit said:

No inconsistency. Self-determination for both England and Scotland is not incompatible.

Self determination for areas that vote against independence.

[B210bandit]

Rollin said:

B210bandit said:

No inconsistency. Self-determination for both England and Scotland is not incompatible.

Self determination for areas that vote against independence.

Areas of England that wish to remain burdened with NI and Wales can do so.

[r11co]

In other news, here's some more of that 'different kind of politics'.

[Rollin]

B210bandit said:

Rollin said:

B210bandit said:

No inconsistency. Self-determination for both England and Scotland is not incompatible.

Self determination for areas that vote against independence.

Areas of England that wish to remain burdened with NI and Wales can do so.

You now how you bang on about Scotland voting to stay in the EU and therefore the Scottish region of the UK should be treated differently?

Should areas of Scotland who vote against independence be treated differently?

Or are you not such a fan of self determination as you make out?

[B210bandit]

All peoples have the right to self determination. Who am I to disagree with the UN General Assembly. Next.

[simoid]

Woop woop, independence from Dundee and Glasgow

[Ian974]

Edinburger said:

However, in the event of no deal and in the event of markets falling, property prices crashing, GDP hit, catostrophic impact for jobs, standards of living, etc., etc., it cant be out of the question for Nicola to pipe up with "we didnt vote for this" and hey-ho indyref2.

Would markets falling, property prices crashing, GDP hit, catastrophic impact for jobs, standards of living etc., etc., not all also be some potential outcomes of Scottish independence as well?

[technodup]

B210bandit said:

All peoples have the right to self determination. Who am I to disagree with the UN General Assembly. Next.

Nice theory.

In practice, as we attempt to extricate ourselves from the EU there are many people of influence on both sides attempting to thwart our right to self determination. Only time will tell if they are successful or not, but it's not just as simple as you make out. I wish it was.

[Helicopter123]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

The no-deal Brexit Indyref is simply another attempt by SNP to remain relevant since their core raison d’etre was rejected by their electorate.

True. But as we all know, they now have a strong argument in favour of another referendum.

And given the probable turmoil on the island of Ireland I can buy into an argument that the United Kingdom may not be united much longer.

If we end up with a hard border in the Irish Sea, it doesn't take a huge imagination to see where else the SNP could see one working.

If they can keep Scotland in the common market, they might have a chance as well.

[Strocky]

Ian974 said:

Edinburger said:

However, in the event of no deal and in the event of markets falling, property prices crashing, GDP hit, catostrophic impact for jobs, standards of living, etc., etc., it cant be out of the question for Nicola to pipe up with "we didnt vote for this" and hey-ho indyref2.

Would markets falling, property prices crashing, GDP hit, catastrophic impact for jobs, standards of living etc., etc., not all also be some potential outcomes of Scottish independence as well?

You’ve basically stated Scotland’s potential future shackledto the UK under a Brexit No Deal

But tbf given Scotland is the sole country on the planet that couldn’t be independent thank god for the broad shoulders (and share of the £2Tn debt)

[Strocky]

simoid said:

Woop woop, independence from Dundee and Glasgow

You forgot North Lanarkshire

[r11co]

Strocky said:

You’ve basically stated Scotland’s potential future shackled to the UK under a Brexit No Deal

aka the Mike Russell Scenario.

See above.

(If you don't get it yet Strocky our old mucker - the dichotomy is on your side, not ours).

technodup said:

You're more mental than the other one.

It's a toss-up IMO.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 18th September 21:03

[technodup]

Strocky said:

You’ve basically stated Scotland’s potential future shackledto the UK under a Brexit No Deal

But tbf given Scotland is the sole country on the planet that couldn’t be independent thank god for the broad shoulders (and share of the £2Tn debt)

You need to check your definition. Scotland within the EU (as you wish) fails on both 1 and 2.

Admit it, the most important thing here is to be free from England.

independent
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adjective
1.
free from outside control; not subject to another's authority.
"an independent nuclear deterrent"
synonyms: freethinking, individualistic, unconventional, maverick; More
2.
not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
"I wanted to remain independent in old age"
synonyms: self-sufficient, self-supporting, self-sustaining, self-reliant, self-standing, able to stand on one's own two feet; More

[Strocky]

technodup said:

ou need to check your definition. Scotland within the EU (as you wish) fails on both 1 and 2.

Admit it, the most important thing here is to be free from England.

independent
?nd??p?nd(?)nt/Submit
adjective
1.
free from outside control; not subject to another's authority.
"an independent nuclear deterrent"
synonyms: freethinking, individualistic, unconventional, maverick; More
2.
not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
"I wanted to remain independent in old age"
synonyms: self-sufficient, self-supporting, self-sustaining, self-reliant, self-standing, able to stand on one's own two feet; More

Nope, try again (maybe read some of my previous posts on the subject, I'm fed up repeating myself)

[r11co]

Strocky said:

Nope, try again (maybe read some of my previous posts on the subject, I'm fed up repeating myself)

Try what exactly? Arguing the case from both sides and flipping your viewpoint depending on what flag flies over it?

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th September 09:48

[simoid]

r11co said:

Try what exactly? Arguing the case from both sides and flipping your viewpoint depending on what flag flies over it?

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th September 09:48

Surely far better to choose the EU over the English?

Far better to choose the dozens of countries with a variety of currencies, to and from whom we need to ship or fly goods, and who don’t understand us unless we speak really slowly (ok that could be England too...). I’m sure they’ll be delighted we’re coming along with a history of spending billions more than we take in taxation on top of that.

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r11co said:

In other news, here's some more of that 'different kind of politics'.

Oh dear; oh deary dear.