Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[blinkythefish]

Strocky said:

Oil has unwritten the UK's balance of payments for decades, don't believe me, believe that well kent Nat, Alistair Darling

Got an original source for this quote? A quick internet search reveals it is found in some comments sections of the herald, which claims it was said in HoC on 29th May 2008. Definitely not what Hansard says.

Or there is also some discussion regarding the fact that it came form a pro-indy website again with no attribution/context and became a "quote".

I'd have thought such an inflammatory comment in aid of the indy cause would be fully documented....unless, of course, its a load of made up bks.

[simoid]

The UK that currently has next to zero North Sea tax income and no current spending deficit?

[wc98]

gofasterrosssco said:

Strocky said:

https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1062627...

Oh dear

You must be happy with that being pro-EU..

if it comes to pass he and anyone else that uses the ferry links to europe certainly won't be happy when they have been blockaded into port for a week or ten. given the state the navy is in they won't be able to do much about it.

[wc98]

blinkythefish said:

unless, of course, its a load of made up bks.

bingo !

[HD Adam]

blinkythefish said:

Strocky said:

Oil has unwritten the UK's balance of payments for decades, don't believe me, believe that well kent Nat, Alistair Darling

Got an original source for this quote? A quick internet search reveals it is found in some comments sections of the herald, which claims it was said in HoC on 29th May 2008. Definitely not what Hansard says.

Or there is also some discussion regarding the fact that it came form a pro-indy website again with no attribution/context and became a "quote".

I'd have thought such an inflammatory comment in aid of the indy cause would be fully documented....unless, of course, its a load of made up bks.

You mean like the "Too poor, too wee, too stupid" quote, now attributed to anyone English but actually said by John Swinney?

[gofasterrosssco]

Apparently Survation are no longer to be trusted, and its not fair because it didn't use Nat-optimised terminology..

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-60-of-...

[simoid]

“A total of 31 per cent of respondents said UK membership of the EU was more important than Scotland remaining part of the UK, compared to 22 per cent who put the UK first and 36 per cent who said the two Unions were equally important.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-60-of-...

What planet are folk on choosing the Europeans over the English?

[Helicopter123]

simoid said:

“A total of 31 per cent of respondents said UK membership of the EU was more important than Scotland remaining part of the UK, compared to 22 per cent who put the UK first and 36 per cent who said the two Unions were equally important.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-60-of-...

What planet are folk on choosing the Europeans over the English?

Perhaps some believe the values, goals and freedoms of Europe to be closer to those of Scotland than that of Tory run England?

[simoid]

Helicopter123 said:

Perhaps some believe the values, goals and freedoms of Europe to be closer to those of Scotland than that of Tory run England?

Well, presumably yes. I’m sure some Scots’ hatred of English and/or Tories knows no bounds.

[NoNeed]

Helicopter123 said:

Perhaps some believe the values, goals and freedoms of Europe to be closer to those of Scotland than that of Tory run England?

Well you would think that a party that thought that would spend the first 10 years in office showing those down south how good things would be if there were no tories, yet they seem to be intent on out torying the tories.

Edited by NoNeed on Tuesday 20th November 18:59

[hutchst]

Helicopter123 said:

Perhaps some believe the values, goals and freedoms of Europe to be closer to those of Scotland than that of Tory run England?

Brilliant. Does that mean we can pop back out again when Labour get back in?

[glazbagun]

simoid said:

“A total of 31 per cent of respondents said UK membership of the EU was more important than Scotland remaining part of the UK, compared to 22 per cent who put the UK first and 36 per cent who said the two Unions were equally important.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-60-of-...

What planet are folk on choosing the Europeans over the English?

England dragging us out certainly doesn't help with the PR! We had a pretty decent debate (esp compared to the Brexit one!) on independence where the Union keeping us in Europe was often brought up.

But because brexit seemed so unlikely, fewer probably realise that England is such a collosal trading partner with England.

Hard Brexit with indyScotland in the EU would be the worst outcome I could imagine for Scotland. Even worse than the slops May has managed to bring back from Brussels.

[technodup]

glazbagun said:

Hard Brexit with indyScotland in the EU would be the worst outcome I could imagine for Scotland.

I don't think anyone needs to worry about either seeing as they aren't happening.

[Tankrizzo]

There's an article on the BBC today about the oil fields discovered off Orkney.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-...

The article's comments have been somewhat hijacked by lunatic indyref2 voters, but in the lowest-rated comments, one of our old PHers is busy winding them up

[Strocky]

Looks like I'll need to sack my researcher

Not been a good week for the Unionists, the highlights include


SIU publishing a skewed poll that actually shows a majority want another Indy Ref by 2026 and 50% want to leave if there's a No Deal Brexit

Enough oil from a "newly" discovered field to last until 2058

Scots Tories split over EU fishing rights, Fluffy on a shaky nail as May uses it as bargaining chip with EU

Spain threatens UK with EU Veto whilst stating they wouldn't veto Scotland if they left UK

[gofasterrosssco]

Strocky said:

Looks like I'll need to sack my researcher

Not been a good week for the Unionists, the highlights include


SIU publishing a skewed poll that actually shows a majority want another Indy Ref by 2026 and 50% want to leave if there's a No Deal Brexit

Enough oil from a "newly" discovered field to last until 2058

Scots Tories split over EU fishing rights, Fluffy on a shaky nail as May uses it as bargaining chip with EU

Spain threatens UK with EU Veto whilst stating they wouldn't veto Scotland if they left UK

Thanks for the spin. How was the poll skewed? By asking the question in a non-biased way which didn't give a huge advantage to the 'Yes' campaign.?

Nope. 50% do not want to leave the UK after a no-deal Brexit - the number is 46%. Missed the 60% pro-union bit

I know, imagine a political with internal disagreements and different points of view... Heresy!

Spain doing their Spanish thing. Almost entirely expected and its not really going to de-rail any deal (good, bad or indifferent!)

[Patrick Bateman]

Strocky said:

Looks like I'll need to sack my researcher

Not been a good week for the Unionists, the highlights include


SIU publishing a skewed poll that actually shows a majority want another Indy Ref by 2026 and 50% want to leave if there's a No Deal Brexit

Enough oil from a "newly" discovered field to last until 2058

Scots Tories split over EU fishing rights, Fluffy on a shaky nail as May uses it as bargaining chip with EU

Spain threatens UK with EU Veto whilst stating they wouldn't veto Scotland if they left UK

What's with this exactly?

[pingu393]

I'm curious about the SNP's fishing policy.

They don't seem to like Maggie May's Brexit deal as it allows the French to carry on fishing in Scottish waters, but they don't want to leave the EU .

What am I missing?

[andy_s]

After two years wading through the turgid political morass that is disentanglement from the EU, which is still unresolved and will no doubt not please anyone at all in its final form, after seeing the poor quality of our 'leadership', opposition and MPs in general on all sides, and the bitter acrimony driven by egotistical, self-serving and borderline psychopathic personalities, after seeing that there is zero interest in bettering the country, seeing a population clamouring for another vote on one hand and a crash out on the other, after seeing all of that, is it beyond the wit of the Scottish electorate to extrapolate their own situation and future through this lens - because Westminster and Holyrood are the same ilk, they are populated by the same class of incompetent egotists, make no mistake - and see that perhaps a canny position is to stay in a mutually beneficial union, with certain downsides granted, but also large advantages and at least a normal continuation of life for the 'man in the street' rather than being led by the nose by a party that after 50 years of existence solely for independence couldn't actually come up with a rational, honest plan to leave when the big day came [what they came up with would have sunk Scotland into the financial seas, based as it was on dreams, fantasy and lies, what's the spot price on oil now...] and won't be able to come up with anything better next time either.

Nationalism, pride, 'independence', freedom; these are just tools for the seekers of power to leverage people into making poor decisions based on what they feel rather than what they know. It's reprehensible to dress a will to power up in a saltire of dreams, and you'll realise soon enough that the dreams are but nightmares, the plan is but lies and the suffering will be done by the people, not the government. The lie is seen as soon as you notice that leaving isn't based on what we can do better, but instead is based on the blame for all ills on 'them' with no cogent vision for the future.

Charlatans and humbug circus performers that con us into believing they are great wizards. They've tricked you, and you just blink.

[Alpacaman]

Patrick Bateman said:

Strocky said:

Looks like I'll need to sack my researcher

Not been a good week for the Unionists, the highlights include


SIU publishing a skewed poll that actually shows a majority want another Indy Ref by 2026 and 50% want to leave if there's a No Deal Brexit

Enough oil from a "newly" discovered field to last until 2058

Scots Tories split over EU fishing rights, Fluffy on a shaky nail as May uses it as bargaining chip with EU

Spain threatens UK with EU Veto whilst stating they wouldn't veto Scotland if they left UK

What's with this exactly?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-46304346

This is the same field the Nats tried to claim was being kept secret during the referendum, despite it being on the news and David Cameron visiting and being filmed there. The workers were supposedly all sent home and forbidden to mention it, despite everyone knowing about it.

The same oil that all the SNP based all their financials on, then tried to claim it was just a bonus when the price tanked. The same oil the SNP don't want to use because they are banning petrol and diesel vehicles, especially so they don't upset the green wing of the snp, who are propping up this lame duck administration. They are happy when the extraction takes place offshore, but you are "banned" from doing it onshore. Does this about sum up the hypocrisy that surrounds the snp?