Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[amusingduck]

Edinburger said:

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:

Strocky said:

amusingduck said:

Strocky if you really want to leave you should focus your efforts on getting the whole of the UK to vote

I'd vote for your noble cause

I'm working on it

The hardcore Jocks on here ain't for turning

I'd vote for your independence too

Why would you both want to vote for Scottish independence?

I'm tired of the disproportionate amount of noise generated by 8.2% of the UK's population. Plus, it'd be hilarious watching Sturgeon get what she wished for. Also, Brexit is interesting and IndyScot is like TurboBrexit

I'm confident that Scots would be able to retain UK citizenship if they desired, so there'd be an exit route for the unwilling.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

I'm tired of the disproportionate amount of noise generated by 8.2% of the UK's population. Plus, it'd be hilarious watching Sturgeon get what she wished for. Also, Brexit is interesting and IndyScot is like TurboBrexit

I'm confident that Scots would be able to retain UK citizenship if they desired, so there'd be an exit route for the unwilling.

This in spades, I haven't voted since 1997, but would on this issue.

[57 Chevy]

amusingduck said:

I'm tired of the disproportionate amount of noise generated by 8.2% of the UK's population.

I think you'll find only about 2% voted for independence.

[mcdjl]

57 Chevy said:

amusingduck said:

I'm tired of the disproportionate amount of noise generated by 8.2% of the UK's population.

I think you'll find only about 2% voted for independence.

Which given how much noise they make, makes it worse really.

[Evercross]

amusingduck said:

IndyScot is like TurboBrexit .

[Strocky]

technodup said:

Indy sleaze everywhere you look. We just need one to accidentally top himself with an apple in his gob and a bottle of HP up his arse and we might get rid of the s.

Well considering we're still stuck with the UK establishment given their antics, what are the odds?

[Strocky]

57 Chevy said:

I think you'll find only about 2% voted for independence.

bks, it was only me (and the next door neighbour's ballot paper that I managed to liberate)

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

Edinburger said:

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:

Strocky said:

amusingduck said:

Strocky if you really want to leave you should focus your efforts on getting the whole of the UK to vote

I'd vote for your noble cause

I'm working on it

The hardcore Jocks on here ain't for turning

I'd vote for your independence too

Why would you both want to vote for Scottish independence?

You deserve your freedom.

[technodup]

Strocky said:

Well considering we're still stuck with the UK establishment given their antics, what are the odds?

And the Scottish establishment will be uniquely virtuous?

Of course it will, because Scottish. Better innit?

[Evercross]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

Well considering we're still stuck with the UK establishment given their antics, what are the odds?

And the Scottish establishment will be uniquely virtuous?

Of course it will, because Scottish. Better innit?

One of the myths peddled by the nationalist movement (mainly SNP) pre the indyref that their supporters still believe in through their blinkered eyes despite subsequent events revealing otherwise was that there was no political establishment in the Nationalist ranks as they exercised a "different kind of politics".

The fallacy of that statement has been exposed over and over again, most recently thanks to the 'antics' of the "simple crofter".

Jeanne Freeman (the very epitome of the Scottish political establishment) is also making a good job of being a gross hypocrite right now.

Jeanne Freeman Tweets about PFI 'scandal'.

I guess when she jumped ship from Labour to join the shallower talent pool of the SNP she also became a completely different person, or suffered some form of amnesia.....

Labour demands Jeane Freeman face PFI inquiry (from 2016).

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 18th April 12:10

[Strocky]

technodup said:

nd the Scottish establishment will be uniquely virtuous?

Of course it will, because Scottish. Better innit?

Now now don't go in a huff (and double down on your dimwittery) because you posted an asinine point and was gently mocked for it

True power corrupts no matter the country

I was merely pointing out that the limits you proscribed are well wide of the mark for bringing a political party down

[technodup]

Strocky said:

Now now don't go in a huff (and double down on your dimwittery) because you posted an asinine point and was gently mocked for it

True power corrupts no matter the country

I was merely pointing out that the limits you proscribed are well wide of the mark for bringing a political party down

I realise self awareness isn't your thing, but there's nothing asinine about it, sleaze brought down the Tories before. Sex and money.

And between Salmond, Blackford and McGarry the SNP have plenty of both to be dealing with. Is Nicola's nose clean?

[Evercross]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

I was merely pointing out that the limits you proscribed are well wide of the mark for bringing a political party down

I realise self awareness isn't your thing....

Understatement of the century. It has been pointed out countless times now by myself and others that Strocky has a total blind-side when it comes to SNP sleaze, hypocrisy and incompetence (of which there is plenty) and he resolutely fails to address any questions or debate concerning it. Of course by doing so it allows him to maintain his self-delusional level of smugness.

Strocky, your 'asinine' comment couldn't have been more wrong as Technodup was making the valid point that no-one is beyond reproach. What exactly in your opinion made it asinine - that it clashes with your faith-held belief that nationalists are infallible?

Let's kick this ball back into the park - win or lose, do you think Alex Salmond's impending criminal case can do anything but major harm to the Scottish independence movement? Do you honestly believe it can be a benign or neutral influence?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 18th April 15:33

[Strocky]

Evercross said:

Understatement of the century. It has been pointed out countless times now by myself and others that Strocky has a total blind-side when it comes to SNP sleaze, hypocrisy and incompetence (of which there is plenty) and resolutely fails to address any questions or debate concerning it.

Of course by doing so it allows him to maintain his self-delusional level of smugness. The 'asinine' comment couldn't have been more mis-directed.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 18th April 15:01

I've commented without fear or favour regarding all political parties, you might want to wallow in the gutter to suit your one way narrative (despite it relieving you of your old "r11co" monicker), I won't be joining you

You're absolutely correct that no one party is beyond reproach, the point I was making wasn't aimed at one particular political party but at a centuries old establishment framework & system that allows whatever party or person is in power or opposition to have the cover of the establishment to conceal their misdeeds

[Evercross]

Strocky said:

You're absolutely correct that no one party is beyond reproach, the point I was making wasn't aimed at one particular political party but at a centuries old establishment framework & system that allows whatever party or person is in power or opposition to have the cover of the establishment to conceal their misdeeds.

That's a convenient retrospective re-interpretation.

What exactly then was your beef with Techno making the same point via addressing a particular political group who have the brass neck to criticise others for their sleaze and hypocrisy yet never deal with their own, or worse are brazenly two-faced about (re. Jeanne Freeman)?

Better still, try answering the question that has been put to you several times now regarding Salmond, seeing as you claim to "comment without fear or favour regarding all political parties".

ETA It is ironic in the extreme for nationalists to be critical of political establishment when their party appears to be the go-to location for political butterflies changing their colours to 'follow the trend' then miraculously find themselves elevated to positions of responsibility....

• Tasmina
• Tommy Shepherd
• Jeanne Freeman

Plenty of those of other political colours have 'crossed the floor' but usually to reside forever in the backbenches or be quickly voted out.

Strocky said:

you might want to wallow in the gutter to suit your one way narrative (despite it relieving you of your old "r11co" monicker), I won't be joining you

Is that supposed to represent some sort of ad-hominen attack? Does this r11co person you've clashed with before needle you so much that you've got to stick his label on other people you haven't got the ammunition to debate with?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 18th April 17:46

[hidetheelephants]

Strocky said:

I've commented without fear or favour regarding all political parties, you might want to wallow in the gutter to suit your one way narrative (despite it relieving you of your old "r11co" monicker), I won't be joining you

You're absolutely correct that no one party is beyond reproach, the point I was making wasn't aimed at one particular political party but at a centuries old establishment framework & system that allows whatever party or person is in power or opposition to have the cover of the establishment to conceal their misdeeds

Selfserving cant; no-one forces those in power to conspire, it's hubris to think otherwise. In any case I have whisky on the shelf older than the apparatus of scottish oversight and governance. The SNP spent a considerable effort after the 2011 election dismantling many of the checks and balances in the committee system, what could possibly go wrong? They went wrong, because they're human and are prone to exactly the same frailties as everyone else.

[Evercross]

technodup said:

Is Nicola's nose clean?

Seeing as Strocky regularly likes to dredge up the past....

Fraudster involved in Sturgeon row pays cash back.

Between that and the dodgy Chinese utilities deal that made the £107million Chris Grayling almost spaffed on non-existant ferries look like a piss in the ocean, Nicola has shown plenty times that she's either too stupid/naive to realise when she shouldn't get involved in a dodgy deal or is quite prepared to compromise herself for the 'old boys' network or the occasional kick-back.

The above predates the 'different kind of politics' declarations of course. Yes, yes other political parties have the same, but in the near decade since the above incident they have all had several clear-outs of the sleazos from major office. With the SNP the same tainted individuals carry on. Even Salmond fancies a comeback.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 21st April 10:08

[Evercross]

Talking of SNP sleazos not knowing when to give up....

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh’s bid to run in European elections is rejected.

On to other issues, I don't think I would get very good odds at the bookies for predicting that Nippy's big pronouncement tomorrow will be yet more prevarication and can-kicking. The latest Brexit delay is making her doom-and-gloom scenarios sound more and more desperate, so time to tone things down?

[simoid]

Maybe she’ll ACTUALLY call a referendum

[Evercross]

simoid said:

Maybe she’ll ACTUALLY call a referendum

I'd love to see her try....

ETA - The UK's leading polling expert knows the drill.

Professor Sir John Curtice said:

The only thing Nicola Sturgeon can do is announce she will write to Theresa May and formally request permission to hold IndyRef2 via a mechanism under the Scotland Act known as a Section 30 order, to which the reply will be ‘Dear Nicola, you know what? I may not be around for much longer and I’ve got other things to worry about’. The brutal truth is there’s no way she’s going to get a Section 30 order out of this parliament.

Ouch!

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 23 April 14:48