Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

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Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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A.J.M said:
sbarclay62 said:
Suits us. We'll take our free university places, free prescriptions, no bedroom tax and the UK's fishing and oil stocks with us aswell.

I'll let you get back to reading your Daily Mail now...
Oil stocks when moving to a carbon net neutral country. 21 years to achieve that aim.

How do you go carbon net neutral while digging up fossil fuels?

Uni places aren’t free. The fee is paid for by the government and by the tax payer. That money for the fee means other areas go without.
Who needs oil when you have enough wind power to supply a third of mainland Europe?

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Evercross said:
Fastdruid said:
As well as the UK debts...
Naw, they are going to threaten to walk away from them if they don't get a good deal.

Sound familiar?
Source?

Thought not.
Burger I saw fish face on tv saying no share of debt without a share of assets. Newnight interviews via video link and countless other interviews. Along with it’s our pound etc
Not sure what your point is?

A share of debt will only be fair when attributed to a a fair share of assets.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Evercross said:
Edinburger said:
Apologies. I thought you were talking about something recent and relevant. rolleyes
Time hasn't altered the issue 'burger.

Is this how Nationalists think - we've talked about but reached no resolution, so we don't want to hear it any more?
It’s not quite panto season but... oh yes it has!

rich1231

17,331 posts

261 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Not sure what your point is?

A share of debt will only be fair when attributed to a a fair share of assets.
So you agree that the rest of the UK will have a proportion of Sottish assets too ? That’s no issue.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Who needs oil when you have enough wind power to supply a third of mainland Europe?
If only Scotland had a monopoly on it being windy.


technodup

7,584 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Not sure I agree with you there. I recently read an article about NE England independence or fiscal autonomy.
Was it this one? The one where it explains they had a referendum about getting more autonomy and they rejected it out of hand?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_North_East_Engl...

I know you love a good referendum but the rest of us are fking fed up that nobody is listening to the answers.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Evercross said:
Fastdruid said:
As well as the UK debts...
Naw, they are going to threaten to walk away from them if they don't get a good deal.

Sound familiar?
Source?

Thought not.
Burger I saw fish face on tv saying no share of debt without a share of assets. Newnight interviews via video link and countless other interviews. Along with it’s our pound etc
Not sure what your point is?

A share of debt will only be fair when attributed to a a fair share of assets.
Confused

You said source ? Thought not to another poster. I verified it had been on TV countless times then you answered something different.

But as you say pro rats share of assets is fair - hopefully you mean of Wales N Ireland England & SCOTLAND not just Scotland taking a share away from everyone else that wouldn’t be fair so we’re agreed

Earthdweller

13,596 posts

127 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
OpulentBob said:
As said many times, if Scotland wants independence, simply give England the vote. They'd be out on their ear in no time. Sick of that little Sturgeon bint. Go, take their guts-wrapped-in-guts haggis, Irn-bru, low life expectancy, unintelligible speech, deep fried everything, and general over-arching Nesbitt tendencies and just go. Please.
That’s nice. rolleyes
Leaving out the ....

Anecdotally, I know an awful lot in England that would have voted for Scotland to leave in 2014

Maybe it was a trick the Nats missed ?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Who needs oil when you have enough wind power to supply a third of mainland Europe?
It’s a shame the SNP has not set up a state run wind farm in the Scottish seas capturing this power in the last 10 years they have been in full power of the hollyrwd discussion room. But no they have not invested in a certain bridge leaving it out of action and vast detours, over spent trams (I like trams but hey when rUK pay the overspend meh who cares) railway line I like that genuinely

A.J.M

7,920 posts

187 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Edinburger said:
Who needs oil when you have enough wind power to supply a third of mainland Europe?
Sbarkley maybe since he brought it up.


Now that’s one of the Whitelee windmills, picture taken on the 28th July as I was there with work.

That’s a big windmill, but only 1000 homes max, assuming it turns 24/7/365 which is a big ask as the wind doesn’t blow 24/7/365.
It’s also rather ugly and at 36 stories, rather tall.

So to power your claim, you are going to have to erect quite a lot of them.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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A.J.M said:
Edinburger said:
Who needs oil when you have enough wind power to supply a third of mainland Europe?
Sbarkley maybe since he brought it up.


Now that’s one of the Whitelee windmills, picture taken on the 28th July as I was there with work.

That’s a big windmill, but only 1000 homes max, assuming it turns 24/7/365 which is a big ask as the wind doesn’t blow 24/7/365.
It’s also rather ugly and at 36 stories, rather tall.

So to power your claim, you are going to have to erect quite a lot of them.
700m EU population - meeting Burgers statement they need 525,000 wondmills. Sounds like a lot - but it might stop those pesky fisherman and Ruskies moving their boats around the North Sea.


We’ve one in Reading - it does turn quite a lot no idea how much it should generate vs it’s actual output. However when the wind is too strong it’s shut down. Scottish North Sea waters mid winter have some cracking frequent storms how will they work?
Also servicing of them how many people.

Als phos much would 525,000 of them cost and time to erect (giggle).

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Burger has misquoted Salmond.
Scottish waters have the potential to power 1/3rd of Europe with wind power.

But there are problems.
Every other country has wind.
Scotland doesn’t have the windmills or the infrastructure to deliver.
Wind is not always there.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Troubleatmill said:
Burger has misquoted Salmond.
Scottish waters have the potential to power 1/3rd of Europe with wind power.

But there are problems.
Every other country has wind.
Scotland doesn’t have the windmills or the infrastructure to deliver.
Wind is not always there.
Spain Portugal Norway Ireland rUK all have plenty of offshore wind generating options too

Groat

5,637 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Groat said:
Voted NO in last referendum.

Won't vote in the next one.

Reason: Couldn't give a fk anymore.
If serious I can share some contact details of charities who might be able to help you in your condition. It’s horrible being there not being able to see the light but sometimes they can help and get you back on your feet. Your welfare is important you are important don’t forget that.
Life goes on but those thoughts of potentially ending it sooner than fate has it planned for you isn’t the best solution for anyone.

PM me I you want a chat.
Do you see not giving a fk whether Scotland remains in or separates from rUK as 'a condition'?

Alpacaman

922 posts

242 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Troubleatmill said:
Burger has misquoted Salmond.
Scottish waters have the potential to power 1/3rd of Europe with wind power.

But there are problems.
Every other country has wind.
Scotland doesn’t have the windmills or the infrastructure to deliver.
Wind is not always there.
Spain Portugal Norway Ireland rUK all have plenty of offshore wind generating options too
Isn't there also a problem with how you get the power to Europe? And aren't they somewhat reliant on subsidies?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Groat said:
Welshbeef said:
Groat said:
Voted NO in last referendum.

Won't vote in the next one.

Reason: Couldn't give a fk anymore.
If serious I can share some contact details of charities who might be able to help you in your condition. It’s horrible being there not being able to see the light but sometimes they can help and get you back on your feet. Your welfare is important you are important don’t forget that.
Life goes on but those thoughts of potentially ending it sooner than fate has it planned for you isn’t the best solution for anyone.

PM me I you want a chat.
Do you see not giving a fk whether Scotland remains in or separates from rUK as 'a condition'?
Sorry I thought you were in depression and couldn’t care less about anything anymore.. which is right in the red zone for suicide.

Good that I got that wrong about you

Groat

5,637 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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confused

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Groat said:
confused
You said you really couldn’t give a fk anymore - I hope your Ok if not seriously seek help they can help with your depression/mental wellbeing/mental health

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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You pissed, Beefy?

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Oh dear
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