Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
anonymous said:
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She has at least admitted that in the case of an independent EU Scotland and a non EU UK a hard border will be mandatory.A potential situation guaranteed to lose the independence campaign a few votes.
Unmolested movement within the UK is a deal breaker for many Scots.
W12GT said:
Y
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2017Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 20:41
I think you've been reading the Diane Abbott Book on advanced arithmetic.
approx 550k deaths in the UK since mid 2016 to mid 2019 isn't 2.5 million.
That's not to say I don't dispute the 2m should ave a say in their future, however. After all, it'll eventually be their job cleaning up the mess, if any.
Edited by texaxile on Tuesday 15th October 21:20
W12GT said:
Some people regret the vote they cast - they have changed their minds due to new information and the fact that there really doesn’t appear to be a plan to just crash out.
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
I haven't missed anything. You're still hurting that you lost, and you are dreaming up ever more contrived reasons why we should rerun the referendum. Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
On one hand I'd love to hear about this 'new information' you have, but on the other this is a Scottish independence thread not a UK one, so I'll politely decline to hear it.
W12GT said:
Welshbeef said:
Jockman said:
W12GT said:
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
I'm pretty sure that's not true.My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
More people die between general elections than those since 2016.
Perhaps we should bar those with a life span of less than 5 years from voting?
W12GT said:
It is absolutely true and all available here.... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
You missed my point didn’t you yer wee rascal. My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
The exact same argument you gave ee people passing away and new voters not then allowed to vote but now are existed in 1975 and therefore 1978 - what if that changed the result? Who knows
Welshbeef said:
W12GT said:
It is absolutely true and all available here.... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
You missed my point didn’t you yer wee rascal. My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
The exact same argument you gave ee people passing away and new voters not then allowed to vote but now are existed in 1975 and therefore 1978 - what if that changed the result? Who knows
W12GT said:
It is absolutely true and all available here.... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
Any vote ... not just the referendum was a snapshot in time My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
Whilst some votes are held periodically the Scottish and EU referendums were “once in a lifetime events”
Like a football match they cannot be rerun and rerun until “your” team wins if you don’t like the result
texaxile said:
W12GT said:
Y
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2017Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 20:41
I think you've been reading the Diane Abbott Book on advanced arithmetic.
The total number of deaths for 2016 was 525,048 so assume half the year is 262,500
The total number of deaths for 2017 was 533,253
The total number of deaths for 2018 was 541,589
The total number of deaths for 2019 to 4th October is approximately 395000
Total for England and Wales only is 1,732,342 approx so it is easily believable that 2.5m is total including Scotland and N. Ireland. These stats are all available on The Office of National Statistics.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 21:44
Jockman said:
W12GT said:
Welshbeef said:
Jockman said:
W12GT said:
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
I'm pretty sure that's not true.My point Welshbeef is that the 2.5m dead now rather obviously won’t be impacted by whatever way they voted. However the 2m should now have a right to vote for their future because they are mostly 18-21year olds should have a say in how their lives may be influenced.
People keep saying about democracy - where is the democracy in this quite obvious change in the electorate? Utter madness to ignore this
More people die between general elections than those since 2016.
Perhaps we should bar those with a life span of less than 5 years from voting?
Out of interest what do you do for a living and how do you see your livelihood being affected?
W12GT said:
texaxile said:
W12GT said:
Y
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2017Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 20:41
I think you've been reading the Diane Abbott Book on advanced arithmetic.
The total number of deaths for 2016 was 525,048 so assume half the year is 262,500
The total number of deaths for 2017 was 533,253
The total number of deaths for 2018 was 541,589
The total number of deaths for 2019 to 4th October is approximately 395000
Total for England and Wales only is 2,033,851 approx so it is easily believable that 2.5m is total including Scotland and N. Ireland. These stats are all available on The Office of National Statistics.
Get over it. (And get yourself on one of the many Brexit threads...
)texaxile said:
W12GT said:
Y
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2017Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 20:41
I think you've been reading the Diane Abbott Book on advanced arithmetic.
approx 550k deaths in the UK since mid 2016 to mid 2019 isn't 2.5 million.
That's not to say I don't dispute the 2m should ave a say in their future, however. After all, it'll eventually be their job cleaning up the mess, if any.
Edited by texaxile on Tuesday 15th October 21:20
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 23:14
Welshbeef said:
Vanden Saab said:
IIRC everybody over the age of 16 voted in the Scottish referendum...
They didn’t in the U.K. as you can only get married without parental consent until your 18yo is an adult. Likewise booze you need to be 18+ W12GT said:
Yes but the consequence of the voting you refer to leaves a party in power for 5 years. To exit the EU is potentially for a MUCH longer time and possibly forever with unknown consequences ie potentially no way back.
Out of interest what do you do for a living and how do you see your livelihood being affected?
So why didn’t we have 2 votes in 1975 and 1978 just to make sure and if it had changed then what? Out of interest what do you do for a living and how do you see your livelihood being affected?
Andy 308GTB said:
W12GT said:
texaxile said:
W12GT said:
Y
Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2017Also there’s the fact that 2.5million people have died since the vote and that there are now 2m new voters that have the right to vote.
Thus to have a true measure of what TODAYS people want then they need hold another referendum with a realistic list of viable options.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 15th October 20:41
I think you've been reading the Diane Abbott Book on advanced arithmetic.
The total number of deaths for 2016 was 525,048 so assume half the year is 262,500
The total number of deaths for 2017 was 533,253
The total number of deaths for 2018 was 541,589
The total number of deaths for 2019 to 4th October is approximately 395000
Total for England and Wales only is 2,033,851 approx so it is easily believable that 2.5m is total including Scotland and N. Ireland. These stats are all available on The Office of National Statistics.
Get over it.
Welshbeef said:
W12GT said:
Yes but the consequence of the voting you refer to leaves a party in power for 5 years. To exit the EU is potentially for a MUCH longer time and possibly forever with unknown consequences ie potentially no way back.
Out of interest what do you do for a living and how do you see your livelihood being affected?
So why didn’t we have 2 votes in 1975 and 1978 just to make sure and if it had changed then what? Out of interest what do you do for a living and how do you see your livelihood being affected?
Times change, people’s views change; in the same way I used to like cider when I was 14, until I had a really bad night and got caught legless by my parents; never appealed to me after that! I also used to like S Club 7......shhhh
W12GT said:
For that sake of the future of this country let’s hope it isn’t done and dusted, because if it many people will take their businesses abroad to a country where they have good trade deals in place, that includes myself and some of my friends colleagues whom between us provide over 1000 jobs in this country.
Genuine question what makes you think you will be given/granted citizenship in another country? W12GT said:
For that sake of the future of this country let’s hope it isn’t done and dusted, because if it many people will take their businesses abroad to a country where they have good trade deals in place, that includes myself and some of my friends colleagues whom between us provide over 1000 jobs in this country.
Funny you should say that, my brother in law with businesses based in the E.U. and living in the E.U. has just opened an office in Manchester and plans further UK expansion as his sector is booming and he expects the UK to do very very well post Brexit Hey ho .. maybe one of you is right ?
So this time Yes would be happy to be out of the EU (as we will either have left as the UK or as we know leaving the UK as an EU member means Scotland is out). They would be happy with a hard border. traffis on goods etc, happy with no or little defense but to have rUK travel in their waters air space as we saw fit. Happy to have no viable central bank, an no actual banks (they would as last time reincorporate in London).
To have no Oil bonus (much lower price now), to fund cost of green energy subsidies, to subsidies mail delivery but across a pool of 5m not 65m, to have a very small voice at the UN, Nato (none at the EU), and be a third party to your biggest reading partner.
If its yes to all of them well I guess its yes to Indy too. But hopes dreams and a white paper written by a sex offender don't make for the foundations of a good country.
To have no Oil bonus (much lower price now), to fund cost of green energy subsidies, to subsidies mail delivery but across a pool of 5m not 65m, to have a very small voice at the UN, Nato (none at the EU), and be a third party to your biggest reading partner.
If its yes to all of them well I guess its yes to Indy too. But hopes dreams and a white paper written by a sex offender don't make for the foundations of a good country.
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