Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
simoid said:
You’re so far away from understanding the issue here it’s unreal.
You do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
It's 2 quid a day. Majority of workers will spent that and more on a sYou do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
tty starbucks or similar lets be honest?Government has passed it. Up to councils to implement it if they want to, and i believe can have exemptions Exempt all emergency service staff and school workers, maybe those on £23-25k PA or less as you've made a valid point above. However having used to do some work at Gyle Business parks, Gogarburn etc, you've got people driving into work Mercs and Beamers despite trams, trans and buses being an option. How you implement that though - f
k no's sbarclay62 said:
It's 2 quid a day. Majority of workers will spent that and more on a stty starbucks or similar lets be honest?
Government has passed it. Up to councils to implement it if they want to, and i believe can have exemptions Exempt all emergency service staff and school workers, maybe those on £23-25k PA or less as you've made a valid point above. However having used to do some work at Gyle Business parks, Gogarburn etc, you've got people driving into work Mercs and Beamers despite trams, trans and buses being an option. How you implement that though - fk no's
If it’s ftty starbucks or similar lets be honest?Government has passed it. Up to councils to implement it if they want to, and i believe can have exemptions Exempt all emergency service staff and school workers, maybe those on £23-25k PA or less as you've made a valid point above. However having used to do some work at Gyle Business parks, Gogarburn etc, you've got people driving into work Mercs and Beamers despite trams, trans and buses being an option. How you implement that though - f
k no's k all, why doesn’t the SNP just introduce a £2 a day poll tax for all workers? Seriously - why don’t they? 2m workers in Scotland, £500 a year from each of them, there’s a billion pounds for the public purse and nobody blinks an eye because it’s only the price of an espresso on the way to work.They won’t do it because it’s not fair. And similarly, the parking tax is unfair.
Some councils will have no choice but to implement because the SNP have starved them of funds (council tax freeze/real terms tax cuts for millionaires...) for years and they’re at bare bones as it is.
I get the idea and I want traffic to flow better, everyone will be happier with shorter journey times, better fuel efficiency, less wear on clutches, lower pollution. We all want that. But there’s so many ways that the roads and public transport could be improved before we start taxing people for driving when there’s no other choice.
Edited by simoid on Wednesday 16th October 12:55
sbarclay62 said:
It's 2 quid a day. Majority of workers will spent that and more on a stty starbucks or similar lets be honest?
Government has passed it. Up to councils to implement it if they want to, and i believe can have exemptions Exempt all emergency service staff and school workers, maybe those on £23-25k PA or less as you've made a valid point above. However having used to do some work at Gyle Business parks, Gogarburn etc, you've got people driving into work Mercs and Beamers despite trams, trans and buses being an option. How you implement that though - fk no's
I think this bloke beat you to it.tty starbucks or similar lets be honest?Government has passed it. Up to councils to implement it if they want to, and i believe can have exemptions Exempt all emergency service staff and school workers, maybe those on £23-25k PA or less as you've made a valid point above. However having used to do some work at Gyle Business parks, Gogarburn etc, you've got people driving into work Mercs and Beamers despite trams, trans and buses being an option. How you implement that though - f
k no's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAqR-Hs9II
All this is academic, the push for a 2020 referendum is madness, the polls have shifted scarcely a jot in 5 years , it's still 50/50,
Wee Nicky's no a daftie, a canny quine is she, she kens fine weel she needs at least 60/40 in favour for a second crack at the
cherry, a second failure means the chance of Independence will be lost for ever.
Wee Nicky's no a daftie, a canny quine is she, she kens fine weel she needs at least 60/40 in favour for a second crack at the
cherry, a second failure means the chance of Independence will be lost for ever.
While I am slightly hesitant to mention the B word after our recent poster, but it seems the SNP weren't that bothered about it since they spent less on their campaign against it than they did on the recent Shetland by-election (which they still lost)
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17972264.snp-s...
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17972264.snp-s...
simoid said:
s2kjock said:
sbarclay62 said:
Edinburgh's population is forever increasing and the road's can't handle it. If it can take some cars of the roads while increasing cycling, walking and other transport infrastructure i'm all for it.
There needs to be a vast improvement in Edinburgh's public transport infrastructure before you start penalising drivers - most people I suspect would prefer not to drive, but the practical alternatives are very limited so they don't have a choice. It would need massive investment (funds we don't have), and very brave politicians that think long term (which we don't have either) to solve this in Edinburgh.
s are still lumping money into slow buses that run on rails when they’ve it perfectly good buses that have rubber wheels. £1bn+ was the last count. I think I estimated that they could’ve made buses free for 20 years with that money...Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
texaxile said:
So in her little world, we would still subsidise everything as we currently do and still retain a central banking system using Sterling yet Scotland have complete autonomy?. I really don't get it.
We give Scotland free schooling, free healthcare, free defence, benefits, subsidies and support, and in return the English get what, exactly?.
I think we would be better off investing in the Nigerian Prince who emailed me last week.
Is this a serious post? “We give...”?! Jeez. We give Scotland free schooling, free healthcare, free defence, benefits, subsidies and support, and in return the English get what, exactly?.
I think we would be better off investing in the Nigerian Prince who emailed me last week.
simoid said:
You’re so far away from understanding the issue here it’s unreal.
You do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
If Joe is on £20m pa then is this cost really a big deal?!You do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
Edinburger said:
Is this the start of your anti-tram and anti-Borders Railway chat?
Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
The teams are an expensive lesson in poor planning. The line doesn’t go as far as intended.Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
You can’t argue against that?
The borders railway is also a good idea, poorly implemented.
The old line was a double track.
The new one isn’t.
If passenger numbers increase as hoped, there will come a point when a single line isn’t capable of handling the traffic, whereas a double line could.
As that paper from a few pages ago shows, the SNP have a good track record of knee jerk half thought through ideas that could have been good if they weren’t rushed and had the time taken to properly plan out all the details.
A.J.M said:
Edinburger said:
Is this the start of your anti-tram and anti-Borders Railway chat?
Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
The teams are an expensive lesson in poor planning. The line doesn’t go as far as intended.Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
You can’t argue against that?
The borders railway is also a good idea, poorly implemented.
The old line was a double track.
The new one isn’t.
If passenger numbers increase as hoped, there will come a point when a single line isn’t capable of handling the traffic, whereas a double line could.
As that paper from a few pages ago shows, the SNP have a good track record of knee jerk half thought through ideas that could have been good if they weren’t rushed and had the time taken to properly plan out all the details.
Borders railway didn’t have construction begin until 2012. Snp was the controlling party at the time and had 5 years in charge in Scotland under their belt.
So I’m happy to lay the blame for lack of future proofing at their feet.
They had 5 years to say “ can we double track it” but didn’t.
So I’m happy to lay the blame for lack of future proofing at their feet.
They had 5 years to say “ can we double track it” but didn’t.
A.J.M said:
Borders railway didn’t have construction begin until 2012. Snp was the controlling party at the time and had 5 years in charge in Scotland under their belt.
So I’m happy to lay the blame for lack of future proofing at their feet.
They had 5 years to say “ can we double track it” but didn’t.
Prettyt sure its Westminster you need to blaming as it was not a devolved matter,So I’m happy to lay the blame for lack of future proofing at their feet.
They had 5 years to say “ can we double track it” but didn’t.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
s2kjock said:
sbarclay62 said:
Edinburgh's population is forever increasing and the road's can't handle it. If it can take some cars of the roads while increasing cycling, walking and other transport infrastructure i'm all for it.
There needs to be a vast improvement in Edinburgh's public transport infrastructure before you start penalising drivers - most people I suspect would prefer not to drive, but the practical alternatives are very limited so they don't have a choice. It would need massive investment (funds we don't have), and very brave politicians that think long term (which we don't have either) to solve this in Edinburgh.
s are still lumping money into slow buses that run on rails when they’ve it perfectly good buses that have rubber wheels. £1bn+ was the last count. I think I estimated that they could’ve made buses free for 20 years with that money...Both have improved experiences for commuters and visitors.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
You’re so far away from understanding the issue here it’s unreal.
You do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
If Joe is on £20m pa then is this cost really a big deal?!You do know that commuting by car isn’t free!? It’s not going to be £2 to commute from Fife or West Lothian - its £2 EXTRA/ADDITIONAL costs. Jobs don’t just exist next to everyone’s homes, and vice versa. People don’t choose to commute across the Forth Bridge twice a day because they like doing it and to make the roads busy. They do it because the have to.
An example:
Joe lives in Dunfermline and is on £20m per year. He works at the luxury car village Newbridge with a good job as a technician, good prospects etc. He doesn’t live near a bus route or train station, so he takes his car to work. Leaves at 0645 and gets there at 0720. Leaves at 1620 and gets home at 1700. Costs him very little and he got a great lease deal as an employee/pal of the salesperson too. If he wanted to get the bus, he’d need to arrive at Newbridge at 0700 to walk round, so he’ll need to get the bus before 0630, so he’ll need to leave his house at 0600 to walk the mile to the bus. Then on the way home he’ll try and get the bus at 1645 from Ratho Station but sometimes misses it. He’s lucky to be home by 1730. The parking tax has cost him 2 weeks per year in additional commute, or £500 a year.
And if he’s got a college course after work how the fk is he going to get there with public transport then home again after? This is a hard working diligent guy who is getting taxed because public transport isn’t fit for purpose in our country.
It’s an absolute sham policy from the SNP designed to allow the councils to raise desperately needed money, but they take the shafting for it. Perfect slopey shouldered devolution of responsibility.
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