Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
hidetheelephants said:
Murph7355 said:
Klippie said:
She's an embarrassment to Scotland, they tied her in knots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD959SgOjw
I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.
And yet...they still win 56 seats in Parliament.I know more people who can't stand the SNP that like them, they will tell as many as will listen that the SNP speak for the people of Scotland...they absolutley do not.
How so?
I wonder why Gina Miller doesn’t go to the high court to force SNP to get on with the job of being in power rather than pissing in the wind. (Sorry if that would be a salary loss to you burger but hey such is life)
Sway said:
Edinburger said:
Jeez. Speak with commuters and visitors. Ask them if they'd prefer to sit on a fast comfortable tram gliding effortlessly between stops or a bus held up behind every other blooming bus in the bus lane.
Subjective, but the tram is a far better experience in my view. And get over the spend - it's already been spent.
You could also ask why we're spending £18bn on Crossrail when you can get on other trains to make the same journey. But that's not SNP bashing.
It seems this is a really difficult concept for you. Subjective, but the tram is a far better experience in my view. And get over the spend - it's already been spent.
You could also ask why we're spending £18bn on Crossrail when you can get on other trains to make the same journey. But that's not SNP bashing.
I'll go slow, let me know where you struggle...
Imagine, just for a moment, the exact same thing that's there now. The dedicated space just for trams, built specifically for the main bottleneck.
Exactly like it is now. Except built without very, very expensive rails and electric lines.
Still with me?
It's like a road, but for no other traffic.
Then, on that road, for no other traffic, instead of teams which are joined together as one fairly big lump.
Instead of them, you have shiny new buses, identical in almost every way to shiny new trams, except cheaper and with two forms of suspension giving an even better ride.
Now, imagine that because those shiny new buses don't have to be joined nose to tail, they can run more frequently, and if there's a problem with one it has a lesser impact (both in delays, flow and resolution).
Are you still with me?
Shiny, new buses.
Smooth, comfortable.
Running on the same new route.
But more frequently, with fewer issues, and more comfortably.
All for far less than half the price...
Yes, it's too late for the airport link trams. The money has been wasted.
That doesn't mean we can't learn from it, and do better next time.
Next time, it wouldn't mean several years of utter f
king chaos with half the city dug up or delayed thanks to the need to put rails down... technodup said:
Evercross said:
technodup said:
There's only one parliament worth talking about. The one he is talking about. The one where the SNP have 56 bodies.
Steady on there. 35 at the last count!Sway said:
Shiny, new buses.
Glasgow's got a lot of shiny new buses these days. Wifi, changing points, leather seats, cameras everywhere, plus the timing info on the screens at the stops, and the new bus only streets in the town. They've gone right up in the world tbh.Between that, the train network and the new properly sectioned off cycle routes we're pishing all over some poxy trams that only go to one place.
alangla said:
Thing is, Edinburgh DID have separate roads for buses in the early 2000s. The bit that’s now the tram line between about Edinburgh Park and around Murrayfield was a guided busway originally. Wasn’t particularly comfortable or fast as I remember, the buses kind of bumped off the sides of the concrete track. All re-purposed during the early part of the tram project.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/West_Edinburg...
Yep - bang on!https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/West_Edinburg...
simoid said:
Sway said:
Edinburger said:
Jeez. Speak with commuters and visitors. Ask them if they'd prefer to sit on a fast comfortable tram gliding effortlessly between stops or a bus held up behind every other blooming bus in the bus lane.
Subjective, but the tram is a far better experience in my view. And get over the spend - it's already been spent.
You could also ask why we're spending £18bn on Crossrail when you can get on other trains to make the same journey. But that's not SNP bashing.
It seems this is a really difficult concept for you. Subjective, but the tram is a far better experience in my view. And get over the spend - it's already been spent.
You could also ask why we're spending £18bn on Crossrail when you can get on other trains to make the same journey. But that's not SNP bashing.
I'll go slow, let me know where you struggle...
Imagine, just for a moment, the exact same thing that's there now. The dedicated space just for trams, built specifically for the main bottleneck.
Exactly like it is now. Except built without very, very expensive rails and electric lines.
Still with me?
It's like a road, but for no other traffic.
Then, on that road, for no other traffic, instead of teams which are joined together as one fairly big lump.
Instead of them, you have shiny new buses, identical in almost every way to shiny new trams, except cheaper and with two forms of suspension giving an even better ride.
Now, imagine that because those shiny new buses don't have to be joined nose to tail, they can run more frequently, and if there's a problem with one it has a lesser impact (both in delays, flow and resolution).
Are you still with me?
Shiny, new buses.
Smooth, comfortable.
Running on the same new route.
But more frequently, with fewer issues, and more comfortably.
All for far less than half the price...
Yes, it's too late for the airport link trams. The money has been wasted.
That doesn't mean we can't learn from it, and do better next time.
Next time, it wouldn't mean several years of utter f
king chaos with half the city dug up or delayed thanks to the need to put rails down... ds and trams are lovely. Even tram drivers are nicer people than bus drivers. They smile more because they have a bell to ring.And buses are big loud things and trams are quiet. Bustards are so loud that they are banned from running at bedtime while trams are allowed to glide silently all night (did I get that right?)
And trams are fast - so very fast. Almost as fast as a child could cycle! Buses are limited to like 23mph or something and definitely can’t go over that speed.
It's called progress, my son.
Evercross said:
Still haven't learned how to edit all your quotes and responses into one reply I see 'burger.
(Or is it that the bot software at SNP HQ isn't sophisticated enough
).
Why would I choose to consolidate them all into a single response? Why? Do you ever use PH on your phone?(Or is it that the bot software at SNP HQ isn't sophisticated enough
).
Edinburger said:
Aah, I see. Silly me. I thought buses shared bus lanes with other buses. And taxis. And bikes. And I thought that's one reason why they're so blooming slow as they're queuing up at bus stops. Silly me. It's one bus at a time. Thanks for explaining.
The airport bus takes basically the same time as the tram into the centre though...A.J.M said:
So buses vs trams is more debatable than shagger Salmond, possible deleted evidence and a 25% tarrif on whisky.
Squirrel central though from the person who says this thread keeps going OT.
The radio-silence from the SNats over the whisky tariff is an absolute hoot - just doesn't play at all with their fake narratives on EU membership as an independent country. It must really stick in their craw that their only chance of shaking-off the tariff is for the UK to leave the EU and negotiate a FTA with the US.
F'kn idiots think they are the world's best pals yet when RoW kicks them in the nads they keep quiet. Still also haven't heard a peep from them about the Scots-born diplomat being held in China. The SNP clearly only have a problem with the English because any other state can dump on them with impunity.
Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 23 October 16:56
Murph7355 said:
But still enough do. Why?
)(My bad on numbers. 35 not 56 (that was 2015).
I agree that they do not speak for Scotland, which makes their remain bluster all the more ironic. But they obviously ha e plenty of support.... And I suspect it will likely increase again at the next GE only heightening the noise.
They can have all the seats in Scotland it won't do them the slightest bit of good as thier Tory Masters have already said they won't give the nod to a second referendum.)(My bad on numbers. 35 not 56 (that was 2015).
I agree that they do not speak for Scotland, which makes their remain bluster all the more ironic. But they obviously ha e plenty of support.... And I suspect it will likely increase again at the next GE only heightening the noise.
They have been bleating on about this like a barin wi a soor face since the day after their 2014 failure.
Their support is on the slide...that'll make her face even more torn.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scotti...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-finds-1-in...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/10/22/nic...
Klippie said:
Their support is on the slide...that'll make her face even more torn.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scotti...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-finds-1-in...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/10/22/nic...
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scotti...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-finds-1-in...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/10/22/nic...
I want to see how the SNats will bat that one away considering the research was done by an organisation run by their own former leader in the HoC.
But,....but....independence is inevitable!
sbarclay62 said:
NRS said:
The airport bus takes basically the same time as the tram into the centre though...
Perhaps on a Sunday morning. I'd be surprised if thats the case at morning and evening rushour. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff