Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

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technodup

5,984 posts

78 months

Saturday 16th November
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simoid said:
Who?

Are you having a Lenny Henry/Ainslie Harriot moment here?
More like a Scottish nonentity politician/Scottish nonentity politician moment. He's not even Labour, which pretty much proves my point.

I think I was thinking of Anas Sarwar tbh. My bad. I must be inherently racist. AND a unionist. AND a Brexiteer. I'll report myself to the politburo for my brainwashing.

simoid

18,567 posts

106 months

Saturday 16th November
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They do have similar appearances and accents and move in similar circles I’m sure we can let you off hehe

Evercross

938 posts

12 months

Sunday 17th November
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Klippie said:
Just watched this its like shooting fish in a barrel...why on earth are the Scottish opposition parties not taking these nuggets to task to show the voters how completely incompetent the SNP are in everything they do, the ammunition is on a plate ready to be used bloody wake up and nail these rockets once and for all.
"We will be using the pound Andrew." Tell that to his party who voted at conference to set up a Scottish currency from day 1.

What a fkn donkey amongst a shower of utter charlatans.

Pastor Of Muppets

261 posts

10 months

Sunday 17th November
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Someone said to me yesterday they keep hearing the SNP talking about the need to substantially grow our population
and needing to encourage mass migration into Scotland, but what worried him was that as far as he knew there
is no plans to make the city bypass into 3 or 4 lanes each way, no plans for a Hermiston gate bypass, no plans to increase lanes on the M8,
no plans for another crossing over the Forth, and no plans for a solution to the traffic carnage at Newbridge, therefore
a huge increase in congestion and all the other resultant problems it would create, not least of which is even more air pollution.

Are they genuine fears?, its not the first time I have heard folks mention this subject, or do the SNP have a masterplan
to avoid even more traffic chaos?.

Order66

6,098 posts

197 months

Sunday 17th November
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Klippie said:
BlackLabel said:
The SNP’s David Linden MP being “very very clear” about their future economic policies.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CGY6yZEIjfk
Just watched this its like shooting fish in a barrel...why on earth are the Scottish opposition parties not taking these nuggets to task to show the voters how completley incompitent the SNP are in everything they do, the ammunition is on a plate ready to be used bloody wake up and nail these rockets once and for all.
Indeed, when AN questions him about the fact that using the pound means Scotland would be tied to English interest rates and monetary policy he simply says "that's not entirely true", then AN says "but you couldn't print the pound" and this absolute whalloper says "but we already use both English and Scottish notes here in Scotland".

The level of economic ignorance on display here is astonishing -they think they can have the £ and control it separately and when asked about "printing" the pound he obviously equates it to running down to the photocopier and turning it on rather than having control over QE.

Regardless of any other policies/beliefs - how someone could vote for the SNP when they show such staggering levels of ignorance of economics is beyond me. This is stuff that is taught in high-school economics classes around the country (or at least it was done until the SNP got control of the education system, I couldn't be sure now)

Edited by Order66 on Sunday 17th November 09:59

rossub

2,461 posts

138 months

Sunday 17th November
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
Someone said to me yesterday they keep hearing the SNP talking about the need to substantially grow our population
and needing to encourage mass migration into Scotland, but what worried him was that as far as he knew there
is no plans to make the city bypass into 3 or 4 lanes each way, no plans for a Hermiston gate bypass, no plans to increase lanes on the M8,
no plans for another crossing over the Forth, and no plans for a solution to the traffic carnage at Newbridge, therefore
a huge increase in congestion and all the other resultant problems it would create, not least of which is even more air pollution.

Are they genuine fears?, its not the first time I have heard folks mention this subject, or do the SNP have a masterplan
to avoid even more traffic chaos?.
Don’t worry about it. If Scotland becomes independent, it’ll be like Ireland during the potato famine.

Pastor Of Muppets

261 posts

10 months

Sunday 17th November
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Order66 said:
Indeed, when AN questions him about the fact that using the pound means Scotland would be tied to English interest rates and monetary policy he simply says "that's not entirely true", then AN says "but you couldn't print the pound" and this absolute whalloper says "but we already use both English and Scottish notes here in Scotland".

The level of economic ignorance on display here is astonishing -they think they can have the £ and control it separately and when asked about "printing" the pound he obviously equates it to running down to the photocopier and turning it on rather than having control over QE.

Regardless of any other policies/beliefs - how someone could vote for the SNP when they show such staggering levels of ignorance of economics is beyond me. This is stuff that is taught in high-school economics classes around the country (or at least it was done until the SNP got control of the education system, I couldn't be sure now)

Edited by Order66 on Sunday 17th November 09:59
The problem boils down to the absolute fact that a huge amount of SNP fanatics have no idea about monetary policy,
or much knowledge of any other policy for that matter, many couldn't care less, all that matters is 'wur freedum'.

I know many SNP diehards and the vast majority when questioned on any intricasies of SNP policy or economics
haven't got a clue what you are on about. Thats where the SNP are winning, they have legions of clueless retards
dumb enough to vote for them.

AstonZagato

9,028 posts

158 months

Sunday 17th November
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
Order66 said:
Indeed, when AN questions him about the fact that using the pound means Scotland would be tied to English interest rates and monetary policy he simply says "that's not entirely true", then AN says "but you couldn't print the pound" and this absolute whalloper says "but we already use both English and Scottish notes here in Scotland".

The level of economic ignorance on display here is astonishing -they think they can have the £ and control it separately and when asked about "printing" the pound he obviously equates it to running down to the photocopier and turning it on rather than having control over QE.

Regardless of any other policies/beliefs - how someone could vote for the SNP when they show such staggering levels of ignorance of economics is beyond me. This is stuff that is taught in high-school economics classes around the country (or at least it was done until the SNP got control of the education system, I couldn't be sure now)

Edited by Order66 on Sunday 17th November 09:59
The problem boils down to the absolute fact that a huge amount of SNP fanatics have no idea about monetary policy,
or much knowledge of any other policy for that matter, many couldn't care less, all that matters is 'wur freedum'.

I know many SNP diehards and the vast majority when questioned on any intricasies of SNP policy or economics
haven't got a clue what you are on about. Thats where the SNP are winning, they have legions of clueless retards
dumb enough to vote for them.
There are only two possible reasons why the SNP chap was spouting this nonsense.
1. He has the IQ of a goldfish and really doesn’t understand the issue.
2. He fully understands the issue and realises that he is spouting nonsense. However, he is making a calculated judgement that the electorate are fools who do not understand the issue. He can therefore chunter on, safe in the knowledge that he can lead the sheep to the slaughter.
Neither is good.

rossub

2,461 posts

138 months

Sunday 17th November
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
The problem boils down to the absolute fact that a huge amount of SNP fanatics have no idea about monetary policy,
or much knowledge of any other policy for that matter, many couldn't care less, all that matters is 'wur freedum'.

I know many SNP diehards and the vast majority when questioned on any intricasies of SNP policy or economics
haven't got a clue what you are on about. Thats where the SNP are winning, they have legions of clueless retards
dumb enough to vote for them.
100%

The dumbest one I know honestly believes that there are Saudi Arabian quantities of oil in Scottish waters and it’s all being kept quiet as a conspiracy to keep the Union together.

It’s frightening that there are so many of them with such a lack of intelligence and that they have the potential do so much damage by being able to vote.

Earthdweller

3,371 posts

74 months

Sunday 17th November
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Whilst people go on about monetary policy and the like the thought does cross my mind about population displacement in the event of Scotland parting company with the rUK

Country separation, historically hasn’t been too pretty, take Yugoslavia and India as two notable examples

There are approximately 600k English/Welsh living in Scotland and around 800k Scots living in E, W and NI

Are we likely to see voluntary or forced repatriation or heaven forbid the ethnic cleansing of the two above examples

In the event of a hard separation people WILL have to make choices and they might not be nice ones

Would a large number of the English say I want to stay in the UK and move back south ?

What about Scots in the rUK ?

Or perhaps unionist Scots moving south ?

I think that this issue is really the canary in the coal mine

s2art

17,719 posts

201 months

Sunday 17th November
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Earthdweller said:
Whilst people go on about monetary policy and the like the thought does cross my mind about population displacement in the event of Scotland parting company with the rUK

Country separation, historically hasn’t been too pretty, take Yugoslavia and India as two notable examples

There are approximately 600k English/Welsh living in Scotland and around 800k Scots living in E, W and NI

Are we likely to see voluntary or forced repatriation or heaven forbid the ethnic cleansing of the two above examples

In the event of a hard separation people WILL have to make choices and they might not be nice ones

Would a large number of the English say I want to stay in the UK and move back south ?

What about Scots in the rUK ?

Or perhaps unionist Scots moving south ?

I think that this issue is really the canary in the coal mine
Its worse than that. There would be a severe economic downturn in Scotland, coupled to the fact that all the big players in the finance sector would move to England as thats where their customers are and where the BoE can provide protection. Basically the would be large scale migration to the south, the Scots would become economic migrants, not just to the rUK but wherever the jobs are.

glazbagun

10,136 posts

145 months

Sunday 17th November
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s2art said:
Earthdweller said:
Whilst people go on about monetary policy and the like the thought does cross my mind about population displacement in the event of Scotland parting company with the rUK

Country separation, historically hasn’t been too pretty, take Yugoslavia and India as two notable examples

There are approximately 600k English/Welsh living in Scotland and around 800k Scots living in E, W and NI

Are we likely to see voluntary or forced repatriation or heaven forbid the ethnic cleansing of the two above examples

In the event of a hard separation people WILL have to make choices and they might not be nice ones

Would a large number of the English say I want to stay in the UK and move back south ?

What about Scots in the rUK ?

Or perhaps unionist Scots moving south ?

I think that this issue is really the canary in the coal mine
Its worse than that. There would be a severe economic downturn in Scotland, coupled to the fact that all the big players in the finance sector would move to England as thats where their customers are and where the BoE can provide protection. Basically the would be large scale migration to the south, the Scots would become economic migrants, not just to the rUK but wherever the jobs are.
Being a Scot who is pretty much trapped in the south due to my career choices, I often fantasize about educating/reakilling my way back home to an in demand career, but it already seems that there isn't enough demand to make any clear choice:


https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/uk-skills-shorta...

The UK seems a microcosm of the EU/the world with centres of capital holding the bulk of career choices and the smaller regions being nothing more than a source of labour to fuel the cities.

It's why I think Brexit is a long-term poor idea. Whatever the future is, it seems to be globalist, with economic hubs subsidising smaller regions to produce affordable skilled people to toil away their youth in cities .

Welshbeef

38,402 posts

146 months

Sunday 17th November
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glazbagun said:
Being a Scot who is pretty much trapped in the south due to my career choices, I often fantasize about educating/reakilling my way back home to an in demand career, but it already seems that there isn't enough demand to make any clear choice:


https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/uk-skills-shorta...

The UK seems a microcosm of the EU/the world with centres of capital holding the bulk of career choices and the smaller regions being nothing more than a source of labour to fuel the cities.

It's why I think Brexit is a long-term poor idea. Whatever the future is, it seems to be globalist, with economic hubs subsidising smaller regions to produce affordable skilled people to toil away their youth in cities .
Why do you think Globalism is best for us to be in the EU?


Fact is the EU whacks massive tariffs on poorer nations to flog their produce within its zone - and making its inefficient and pricy products appear to be cheaper.


So much future economy will develop in the poorer parts and wilds of the U.K.

Big Robbo

278 posts

94 months

Sunday 17th November
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What I find difficult to understand is...there was a referendum to leave, the people of Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK. How do the SNP now justify their existence? Or will it be a case of let's keep having votes until the losing side get a result they want?

Welshbeef

38,402 posts

146 months

Sunday 17th November
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Big Robbo said:
What I find difficult to understand is...there was a referendum to leave, the people of Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK. How do the SNP now justify their existence? Or will it be a case of let's keep having votes until the losing side get a result they want?
You need to look at other areas of the world where this has happened - ie Quebec.... has a vote voted to stay similar ratio as Scotland and the U.K. to EU. But it’s essentially a Neverendum nothing can ever get done period they will never give up.


Now imagine had UK voted to remain in the U.K. - it would be naive to the extreme to think the leave party would dissolve and it’s support ever yeild.

The only way this should ever happen is with a 2/3rds vote that utterly removes some have died and some have changed their minds.

Maybe globalisation should confirm it simply isn’t possible for countries to ever break up any longer

CambsBill

913 posts

126 months

Sunday 17th November
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Order66 said:
Indeed, when AN questions him about the fact that using the pound means Scotland would be tied to English interest rates and monetary policy he simply says "that's not entirely true", then AN says "but you couldn't print the pound" and this absolute whalloper says "but we already use both English and Scottish notes here in Scotland".

The level of economic ignorance on display here is astonishing -they think they can have the £ and control it separately and when asked about "printing" the pound he obviously equates it to running down to the photocopier and turning it on rather than having control over QE.

Edited by Order66 on Sunday 17th November 09:59
Hmm, this prompted me to do a search on Scottish banknotes - turns out they aren't legal tender at all, not even in Scotland. Instead, they're promissory notes, meaning the issuing banks are legally required to hold an equivalent value of Bank of England notes or gold as security against them.


simoid

18,567 posts

106 months

Sunday 17th November
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Big Robbo said:
What I find difficult to understand is...there was a referendum to leave, the people of Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK. How do the SNP now justify their existence? Or will it be a case of let's keep having votes until the losing side get a result they want?
In short - they don’t think they are a good enough political party to win elections without blaming stuff on the English/“Westminster”, so they will be perennially keeping independence just over the horizon for their supporters.

McGee_22

3,413 posts

127 months

Sunday 17th November
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Welshbeef said:
You need to look at other areas of the world where this has happened - ie Quebec.... has a vote voted to stay similar ratio as Scotland and the U.K. to EU. But it’s essentially a Neverendum nothing can ever get done period they will never give up.
My Uncle has lived in Canada fo he past 50 years or so, through all the votes that Quebec province has had to leave; his opinion is that after multiple votes the Quebec population realised two things,
1. They were actually better off within Canada, and
2. The almost constant clamouring for yet another referendum was stagnating any investment in the region to the point there was capital and human flight.

The situation now is that Quebec separatists are still there but in a tiny ideological minority whereas the populus have realised the status quo and constant law amending towards french affinity and promotion is better than independence.

768c

2,210 posts

46 months

Sunday 17th November
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Big Robbo said:
What I find difficult to understand is...there was a referendum to leave, the people of Scotland voted to remain as part of the UK. How do the SNP now justify their existence? Or will it be a case of let's keep having votes until the losing side get a result they want?
Yes. Hence the second one in a whole 'lifetime' of 5 years.


hutchst

1,692 posts

44 months

Monday 18th November
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768c said:
Yes. Hence the second one in a whole 'lifetime' of 5 years.
It wasn't a lifetime, it was a generation. Which, in some parts of Scotland, is just over 10 years.