Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

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Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
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In other news, I see Sinn Fein are issuing a lot of comms and press releases about a united Ireland, just as I said.
You weren't previously aware of SF's objectives?

technodup

7,581 posts

130 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Murph7355 said:
Edinburger said:
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In other news, I see Sinn Fein are issuing a lot of comms and press releases about a united Ireland, just as I said.
You weren't previously aware of SF's objectives?
Who'd have thought it? United Ireland party want a united Ireland?

The last couple of posts has plumbed new depths of discourse for this thread. hehe

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
Sometimes when I log on to this thread, I see so much nonsense and downright rubbish and even rude comments posted that I just leave. Don’t even bother replying. So frustrating. A first time visitor to this thread would get a surprise.

In other news, I see Sinn Fein are issuing a lot of comms and press releases about a united Ireland, just as I said.
And if there’s any questions you don’t want to answer you just log out too.

Evercross

5,962 posts

64 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
Sometimes when I log on to this thread, I see so much nonsense and downright rubbish and even rude comments posted that I just leave. Don’t even bother replying. So frustrating. A first time visitor to this thread would get a surprise.
Notwithstanding that the above is just opinion (and like aholes, every has one), what is your point?

I'll admit I have been very rude about Ian Blackford, but then he is a vile example of a human being - a charlatan who thinks it is OK to profit personally from investment in arms sales but constructs extreme levels of outrage when the government that pays one of his many salaries wants to defend its citizens using the same armaments. A man who benefits from the fees raised through setting up tax avoidance schemes yet wants to enact policies to prevent others using similar schemes. A man who will exercise physical violence and intimidation upon anyone who dare point out these contradictory aspects of his pseudo-morality, and fabricates stories about the sources of his income in order to make himself more appealing to his electorate.

By extension I have zero respect for anyone and everyone who supports in any way the political party that thinks he is fit to represent them and at the highest level too. You can hit me with any amount of your whitabootery about other politicians, but the man is scum in an ill-fitting suit.

If a 'first time visitor' is surprised by any above the above then they can avail themselves of all the evidence easily via Google.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 19th November 10:43

Alpacaman

920 posts

241 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Evercross said:
Notwithstanding that the above is just opinion (and like aholes, every has one), what is your point?

I'll admit I have been very rude about Ian Blackford, but then he is a vile example of a human being - a charlatan who thinks it is OK to profit personally from investment in arms sales but constructs extreme levels of outrage when the government that pays one of his many salaries wants to defend its citizens using the same armaments. A man who benefits from the fees raised through setting up tax avoidance schemes yet wants to enact policies to prevent others using similar schemes. A man who will exercise physical violence and intimidation upon anyone who dare point out these contradictory aspects of his pseudo-morality, and fabricates stories about the sources of his income in order to make himself more appealing to his electorate.

By extension I have zero respect for anyone and everyone who supports in any way the political party that thinks he is fit to represent them and at the highest level too. You can hit me with any amount of your whitabootery about other politicians, but the man is scum in an ill-fitting suit.

If a 'first time visitor' is surprised by any above the above then they can avail themselves of all the evidence easily via Google.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 19th November 10:43
I suspect he is raging at the moment considering how annoyed he got at, quite correctly, being described as a former Banker. The LibDem leaflets have the headline- "Skye needs a full time MP". It also says things like "We need an MP who prioritises our community" and "Local folks are saying we deserve a full-time MP to ensure we get the best deal for our community." I wonder how long until they get a visit from the SNP to try and point out they are wrong.

Pastor Of Muppets

3,265 posts

62 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Alpacaman said:
Evercross said:
Notwithstanding that the above is just opinion (and like aholes, every has one), what is your point?

I'll admit I have been very rude about Ian Blackford, but then he is a vile example of a human being - a charlatan who thinks it is OK to profit personally from investment in arms sales but constructs extreme levels of outrage when the government that pays one of his many salaries wants to defend its citizens using the same armaments. A man who benefits from the fees raised through setting up tax avoidance schemes yet wants to enact policies to prevent others using similar schemes. A man who will exercise physical violence and intimidation upon anyone who dare point out these contradictory aspects of his pseudo-morality, and fabricates stories about the sources of his income in order to make himself more appealing to his electorate.

By extension I have zero respect for anyone and everyone who supports in any way the political party that thinks he is fit to represent them and at the highest level too. You can hit me with any amount of your whitabootery about other politicians, but the man is scum in an ill-fitting suit.

If a 'first time visitor' is surprised by any above the above then they can avail themselves of all the evidence easily via Google.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 19th November 10:43
I suspect he is raging at the moment considering how annoyed he got at, quite correctly, being described as a former Banker. The LibDem leaflets have the headline- "Skye needs a full time MP". It also says things like "We need an MP who prioritises our community" and "Local folks are saying we deserve a full-time MP to ensure we get the best deal for our community." I wonder how long until they get a visit from the SNP to try and point out they are wrong.
I really struggle to see why people would want to vote for cretins like Blackford, a more unsavoury and deceitful
politician you would struggle to find, well ok there are a few but he is particularly rancid.

If there was a pie in the Skye his fingers would be in it, his face alone is doing Scotland's image great harm and thats
before he even starts one his venomous spit filled rants. I pray the people of Scotland get rid of him, an absolute
affront to our country. How the hell did our standard of MP's drop this low?

Evercross

5,962 posts

64 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Alpacaman said:
I wonder how long until they get a visit from the SNP to try and point out they are wrong.
I posted something on social media recently correcting a journalist who had reported that Blackford was chairman of a finance company that sold 'funeral plans', saying that I could understand how they could make such a mistake considering the opacity of Blackford's business dealings and pointing out that they were actually taking fees for setting up family trusts for the purposes of avoiding inheritance tax.

I am currently awaiting a visit from one of Blackford's heavies. Either that or my home will be vandalised......

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 19th November 11:33

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
I see so much nonsense and downright rubbish and even rude comments......So frustrating....
As is the SNP's manifesto.

Pastor Of Muppets

3,265 posts

62 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Surprised nobody has mentioned the SNP losing the court case regarding the ITV debate.

Blackford is calling it a 'democratic outrage', the irony is spectacular, karma for the democratic outrage
they have foisted upon the Scottish majority virtually every single day for the last 5 years with their
complete disregard for our democratic vote in 2014.

Every single time they shout about another referendum they are in effect telling over 55% of the Scottish
electorate to go and get fcensoredked They have no respect at all for the decision the country made.

A democratic outrage he says, what a fcensoredking joke.

Edited by Pastor Of Muppets on Tuesday 19th November 17:33

Evercross

5,962 posts

64 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
Surprised nobody has mentioned the SNP losing the court case regarding the ITV debate.
Because it deserves no attention as the loss was inevitable. ITV can have who they like in their studios and as the debate is over-and-above the allocation parties get for their election broadcasts the SNP nor LibDems had a leg to stand on.

Just more manufactured outrage. Blackford had to spin it by saying it discriminated against Scottish voters, once again disingenuously equating a minority interest with the whole of the Scots populace. The man really is a see-you-next-Tuesday.

Wonder how his arms investments are going?

rossub

4,442 posts

190 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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4% of the UK vote and they demand a place on a national TV debate?

They really are utterly, utterly deluded.

biggbn

23,323 posts

220 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Evercross said:
Because it deserves no attention as the loss was inevitable. ITV can have who they like in their studios and as the debate is over-and-above the allocation parties get for their election broadcasts the SNP nor LibDems had a leg to stand on.

Just more manufactured outrage. Blackford had to spin it by saying it discriminated against Scottish voters, once again disingenuously equating a minority interest with the whole of the Scots populace. The man really is a see-you-next-Tuesday.

Wonder how his arms investments are going?
He is a hypocrite like all those who profit or turn a blind eye to our blood and bullets trade. That likely covers about 75% of parliament....

Evercross

5,962 posts

64 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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biggbn said:
Evercross said:
Because it deserves no attention as the loss was inevitable. ITV can have who they like in their studios and as the debate is over-and-above the allocation parties get for their election broadcasts the SNP nor LibDems had a leg to stand on.

Just more manufactured outrage. Blackford had to spin it by saying it discriminated against Scottish voters, once again disingenuously equating a minority interest with the whole of the Scots populace. The man really is a see-you-next-Tuesday.

Wonder how his arms investments are going?
He is a hypocrite like all those who profit or turn a blind eye to our blood and bullets trade. That likely covers about 75% of parliament....
Unlike the others though, he actively campaigns against the things he himself profits from, and wilfully denies his involvement them. That's a step beyond 'turning a blind eye'.

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
Sometimes when I log on to this thread, I see so much nonsense and downright rubbish and even rude comments posted that I just leave. .
Go on then, I dare you.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

168 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Edinburger

10,403 posts

168 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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rossub said:
4% of the UK vote and they demand a place on a national TV debate?

They really are utterly, utterly deluded.
They’re the third largest party in Parliament.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

168 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Evercross said:
Notwithstanding that the above is just opinion (and like aholes, every has one), what is your point?

I'll admit I have been very rude about Ian Blackford, but then he is a vile example of a human being - a charlatan [/b] who thinks it is OK to profit personally from investment in arms sales [/b] but constructs extrem levels of outrage when the government that pays one of his many salaries wants to defend its citizens using the same armaments. A man who benefits from the fees raised through setting up tax avoidance schemes yet wants to enact policies to prevent others using similar schemes. A man who will exercise physical violence and intimidation upon anyone who dare point out these contradictory aspects of his pseudo-morality, and fabricates stories about the sources of his income in order to make himself more appealing to his electorate.

By extension I have zero respect for anyone and everyone who supports in any way the political party that thinks he is fit to represent them and at the highest level too. You can hit me with any amount of your whitabootery about other politicians, but the man is scum in an ill-fitting suit.

If a 'first time visitor' is surprised by any above the above then they can avail themselves of all the evidence easily via Google.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 19th November 10:43
Almost all of us have investments in arms and other unsavoury assets. Unless you have exceptionally ethical investments, which is unlikely in any workplace pensions and other investments you may have little influence in.

biggbn

23,323 posts

220 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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Evercross said:
biggbn said:
Evercross said:
Because it deserves no attention as the loss was inevitable. ITV can have who they like in their studios and as the debate is over-and-above the allocation parties get for their election broadcasts the SNP nor LibDems had a leg to stand on.

Just more manufactured outrage. Blackford had to spin it by saying it discriminated against Scottish voters, once again disingenuously equating a minority interest with the whole of the Scots populace. The man really is a see-you-next-Tuesday.

Wonder how his arms investments are going?
He is a hypocrite like all those who profit or turn a blind eye to our blood and bullets trade. That likely covers about 75% of parliament....
Unlike the others though, he actively campaigns against the things he himself profits from, and wilfully denies his involvement them. That's a step beyond 'turning a blind eye'.
They all have the blood on their hands, hell mend them all.

Klippie

3,148 posts

145 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Just watched Sturgen on the box...thank Christ the telly was out of kicking range, she is excruciating to watch its all the same recycled pish that spouts from her gob, kept mentioning about sitting at the big table in Europe so it would seem its a power trip and nothing to do with actually looking after Scotalnd and its people, the very people they claim to speak for, horrid poisonous arrogance they make me sick.

They are a one script party with no plan.

Evercross

5,962 posts

64 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Edinburger said:
Almost all of us have investments in arms and other unsavoury assets. Unless you have exceptionally ethical investments, which is unlikely in any workplace pensions and other investments you may have little influence in.
I get what you are saying, but accept my point that Blackford occupies a space lower than those who turn the blind eye. Blackford wants to reap the benefits while at the same time appear morally superior by denouncing them - he is duplicitous and sociopathic.

Directly or indirectly, the SNP legitimised thuggery in Scottish politics. Yes, we've heard the arguments that there were people on both sides who could be accused of it, but the fact remains that the sort of base, intimidatory level of campaigning and political debate was practically unheard of in Scottish politics until Salmond turned the constitutional question into an emotive, tribal one - stoking the fires of division by casually invoking links with sectarianism and the like with no regard for the consequences or the damage it could cause.

Blackford exploited the acceptance of such thuggery to the maximum and in doing so drove a good man who couldn't comprehend that politics could descend to that level to his death. That Blackford now tries to claim that he was the victim of that particular series of events once again highlights his sociopathy.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 20th November 06:43

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