Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[feef]

Evercross said:

warch said:

Edinburger said:

You mean the way Scotland voted 62% / 38% in the Brexit referendum?

Or London? 60%/40%

Or Manchester? Same split as London.

But to quote a 'burger trope, we've done this to death. The UK voted, not the regions.

But that's part of the reason so many Scots want independence. Scotland is a nation, not a region.

[Evercross]

feef said:

But that's part of the reason so many Scots want independence. Scotland is a nation, not a region....

...but it isn't a member state of the EU (and under current conditions wouldn't qualify as one were it to become independent) so cannot be asked if it wishes to 'remain' in the EU. This has nothing to do with being part of the UK and everything to do with EU treaties and laws. Remember - Salmond was lying when he said Scotland could automatically accede to EU membership as a secession state and the White Paper information on the same topic was fabrication. You can find the two letters from the EU Commission confirming all that linked to in previous posts in this thread.

Sturgeon is a little more circumspect with her words about it, but Blackford is still prepared to repeat the lie because he's immoral scum.

Moreover, the people who claim to want to lead Scotland to independence also claim to want to join a union that has a stated aim of subsuming all member nations into an ever-closer political union?



Paradox of SNP's EU enthusiasm.

The above is from three years ago, but the paradox remains unaddressed to this day - all the more ironic considering the moves being made towards that ever closer union that have taken place in the EU since 2016 that most of us have been blissfully dismissive or unaware of because of Brexit.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 20th November 16:22

[NoddyonNitrous]

technodup said:

magine the whining if Westminster imposed that rule on future votes. We'd literally never hear the end of it.

BTW where is this debate she was on? Not that I want to see it but I thought she was sidelined?

It was on ITV at 2200 yesterday. They interviewed 1:1 the 4 leaders of Brexit/SNP/LibDem & Green - not a debate. Should be on catch-up.

[technodup]

NoddyonNitrous said:

It was on ITV at 2200 yesterday. They interviewed 1:1 the 4 leaders of Brexit/SNP/LibDem & Green - not a debate. Should be on catch-up.

Ah, so after taking ITV to court and losing, rather than tell them where to shove it she accepts her place in the runners up enclosure with the other perennial losers?

What a spineless cow.

ETA She seems keen on a Lab/SNP deal. Which would mean her giving England a government they didn't elect, as a solution to her issue of Scotland getting a government it didn't elect. Why does anyone listen to the two faced rat ?

Edited by technodup on Wednesday 20th November 19:42

[Edinburger]

feef said:

Evercross said:

warch said:

Edinburger said:

You mean the way Scotland voted 62% / 38% in the Brexit referendum?

Or London? 60%/40%

Or Manchester? Same split as London.

But to quote a 'burger trope, we've done this to death. The UK voted, not the regions.

But that's part of the reason so many Scots want independence. Scotland is a nation, not a region.

Scotland is a country, not a nation.

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Klippie said:

Just watched Sturgen on the box...thank Christ the telly was out of kicking range, she is excruciating to watch its all the same recycled pish that spouts from her gob

Raging that 'Scotland's voice isn't being heard' whilst roundly ignoring the result when Scotland's voice was absolutely and unequivocally heard. They don't do irony.

Meanwhile we're most of the way through a decade of endless referendum pish, with no end in sight. 'More politics' is always good for those gravy train s, but can people not see it's no good for the rest of us?

Yet Piers Morgan tweeted:

“ Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

Love him or hate him, he is very experienced with politicians.

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Yet Piers Morgan tweeted:

“ Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

Love him or hate him, he is very experienced with politicians.

The same Piers Morgan who is mocked and generally thought of as a see you next Tuesday?

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Yet Piers Morgan tweeted:

“ Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

Love him or hate him, he is very experienced with politicians.

He's also experienced at bending the truth so forgive me if I couldn't give a fk about his opinion.

That said, she's not exactly up against much competition. Boris does his shambles act and Corbyn couldn't lead a dog to the park. The only reason she's 'impressive' is she has the one message and rattles it out ad nauseam- whatever the question the answer is Scottish independence. Very much in the Farage mould, although she wouldn't appreciate the comparison. (And I'd suggest he's much better at the one trick pony act, seeing as he's got (most of) what he wanted, and she's got fk all).

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Yet Piers Morgan tweeted:

Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

Love him or hate him, he is very experienced with politicians.

Sounds like the kinda thing people say about Hitler.

[simoid]

Sturgeon was saying now that Brexit has no bearing on the need for an indyref. They just want one anyway, now. Disgraceful.

Sturgeon was also saying (presumably with a straight face!) that Scottish independence wouldn’t play out like Brexit because, as it was with 2014, it would be better planned and explained beforehand! I very nearly crashed the car with laughter.

[Klippie]

Edinburger said:

Yet Piers Morgan tweeted:

“ Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

Love him or hate him, he is very experienced with politicians.

Everyone has an opinion his just happens to be wrong.

[Klippie]

It would seem she has only one thing to say - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ww_9t7S-xdKaKLYIS...

[amusingduck]

simoid said:

Sturgeon was saying now that Brexit has no bearing on the need for an indyref. They just want one anyway, now. Disgraceful.

Sturgeon was also saying (presumably with a straight face!) that Scottish independence wouldn’t play out like Brexit because, as it was with 2014, it would be better planned and explained beforehand! I very nearly crashed the car with laughter.

I hope it does happen, it'd be hilarious!

[technodup]

simoid said:

Sturgeon was also saying (presumably with a straight face!) that Scottish independence wouldn’t play out like Brexit because, as it was with 2014, it would be better planned and explained beforehand!

This is a big problem for her. Come a 2nd indy campaign it would be so easy for the UK side to paint indy as Brexit mkII with all the division, timewasting, and deals/no deal situations played out for years to come.

Not to mention the fact she's dug her own grave by wanting a second indy referendum AND a 2nd Brexit referendum. She can have no objection to a third indy referendum/'people's vote' on whatever deal she gets. But somehow I imagine she'd suddenly not want a vote on that one.

I think those who think it's all about getting the vote and that a positive result is inevitable are very much mistaken. Last time Yes made the gains in the campaign. I suspect next time that will be reversed. We know all her arguments, Christ we've heard them often enough. She's got nothing else to give, and it's not in her gift anyway. The UK will have gone through indy I and Brexit and will have the measure of the chippy wee wk. Again.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

Piers Morgan tweeted:

“ Without passing any judgement on the content of what she says, @NicolaSturgeon is the most natural leader in British politics.
So impressive in media interviews.”

People said the same about Blair (and Hitler, as someone already mentioned).

I'm assuming Morgan hasn't watched Nicola's 'performance' at George Square a few weeks ago, because I reckon if he had he might have qualified his tweet or not bothered with it at all.

[NoddyonNitrous]

technodup said:

I think those who think it's all about getting the vote and that a positive result is inevitable are very much mistaken.

This does seem to be the Nats only position. There is no evidence that it's occurred to them they might not win it, and the effect that'll have on their aspirations. The only consideration for timing they have is 'ASAP'. They demonstrate no awareness or preparation for the need to make a cogent argument, particularly on the major flaws that scuppered them last time - Central bank, Currency, State organisations, the hard Hadrian's wall, EU membership etc. etc.

[technodup]

NoddyonNitrous said:

technodup said:

I think those who think it's all about getting the vote and that a positive result is inevitable are very much mistaken.

This does seem to be the Nats only position. There is no evidence that it's occurred to them they might not win it, and the effect that'll have on their aspirations. The only consideration for timing they have is 'ASAP'. They demonstrate no awareness or preparation for the need to make a cogent argument, particularly on the major flaws that scuppered them last time - Central bank, Currency, State organisations, the hard Hadrian's wall, EU membership etc. etc.

Yebbut that's when they're going to wow us with all their plans.

Their problem being, even if they did have 'solutions' for the previous issues, we now know there's got to be two/three way Scot/UK/EU agreement, and that's not happening.

Basically Brexit has fked her harder than her cuck husband ever did.

[Digga]

SNP (n): Sexually Nasty Party

Alex Salmond has appeared in court charged with carrying out a series of sexual offences against 10 women while serving as Scotland's first minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

Could not have happened to a more odious little turd. Innocent until proven guilty etc. etc.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

SNP (n): Sexually Nasty Party

Alex Salmond has appeared in court charged with carrying out a series of sexual offences against 10 women while serving as Scotland's first minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

Could not have happened to a more odious little turd. Innocent until proven guilty etc. etc.

“Mr Salmond faced a total of 14 charges at the High Court in Edinburgh.”

Wow. He’s in trouble.

Pretty horrendous accusations.

[anonymous-user]

Looks like he’s pleading not guilty to all of it.

Saying he’s completely innocent