Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

Remember that virtually anything bad that happens in Scotland is brought up in this thread and attributed (often wrongly) to the SNP.

Let me contest your "hyperbolic rubbish" point:

Real wage growth is down.
Productivity is down.
Employment rates are down.
Investment is down (company and personal).
FTSE 250 is down since the EU referendum.
Sterling's fall and heightened economic uncertainty have left our economy with the lowest annual growth in the G7.


I know we are better than forecast but it's not pretty.

Anyway, we digress. The fact is that this thread is now mainly about SNP / Scotland-bashing than any meaningful discussion about the prospect of Scottish independence.

Source?





https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

Edited by simoid on Wednesday 4th December 11:21

[NoddyonNitrous]

Edinburger said:

Who would do a better job?

Well, probably the SNP could if they didn't waste so much time, money and effort on independence.

[Rollin]

No point in mentioning whether or not the SNP have improved anything in Scotland. Their signature policy would swiftly destroy all that. They wouldn't have achieved anything positive if not part of the UK.
You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Second to partially-quote.

I note you also didn't contest my points.

You literally didn't make any points.

And why do you get so antsy about partial quotes? I don't want to respond to every boring line someone posts, just one bit or another. Plus it keep things neat and tidy.

[simoid]

NoddyonNitrous said:

Edinburger said:

Who would do a better job?

Well, probably the SNP could if they didn't waste so much time, money and effort on independence.

Best just to vote for the SNP just in case, eh!?

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

OK, bearing in mind what I said about 'giveaways' being un-challenging and what I said before about professing on matters that are not devolved, try listing what is left that isn't simply a freebie or an empty gesture.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 4th December 12:32

[Cantaloupe]

Rollin said:

You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

I think a fair percentage of Scottish voters do exactly that, happy to vote for SNP but have no interest in separation.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Perhaps we should ask the thread to be renamed “Scottish Politics” or equivalent seeing as we’ve had our referendum thread for this generation

Very good! That was actually funny.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

Remember that virtually anything bad that happens in Scotland is brought up in this thread and attributed (often wrongly) to the SNP.

Let me contest your "hyperbolic rubbish" point:

Real wage growth is down.
Productivity is down.
Employment rates are down.
Investment is down (company and personal).
FTSE 250 is down since the EU referendum.
Sterling's fall and heightened economic uncertainty have left our economy with the lowest annual growth in the G7.


I know we are better than forecast but it's not pretty.

Anyway, we digress. The fact is that this thread is now mainly about SNP / Scotland-bashing than any meaningful discussion about the prospect of Scottish independence.

Source?





https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

Edited by simoid on Wednesday 4th December 11:21

FT the other day. I could dig out the actual quote later if need be.

[Edinburger]

NoddyonNitrous said:

Edinburger said:

Who would do a better job?

Well, probably the SNP could if they didn't waste so much time, money and effort on independence.

They do more than wprry about independence 24/7.

Partially quoting to take my words out of context?

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

No point in mentioning whether or not the SNP have improved anything in Scotland. Their signature policy would swiftly destroy all that. They wouldn't have achieved anything positive if not part of the UK.
You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

What a silly comment.

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

Second to partially-quote.

I note you also didn't contest my points.

You literally didn't make any points.

And why do you get so antsy about partial quotes? I don't want to respond to every boring line someone posts, just one bit or another. Plus it keep things neat and tidy.

In the same way people laugh when people say "I am literally speechless"?

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

Edinburger said:

Who would do a better job?

Well, probably the SNP could if they didn't waste so much time, money and effort on independence.

Best just to vote for the SNP just in case, eh!?

At least we have an alternative option.

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

OK, bearing in mind what I said about 'giveaways' being un-challenging and what I said before about professing on matters that are not devolved, try listing what is left that isn't simply a freebie or an empty gesture.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 4th December 12:32

Seriously?!

Whatever I say you will find or invent fault in it. You know it and I know it. You're just like that,.

[Edinburger]

Cantaloupe said:

Rollin said:

You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

I think a fair percentage of Scottish voters do exactly that, happy to vote for SNP but have no interest in separation.

Yep, a lot of poeple are inti-independence but pro-SNP.

[amusingduck]

Edinburger said:

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

OK, bearing in mind what I said about 'giveaways' being un-challenging and what I said before about professing on matters that are not devolved, try listing what is left that isn't simply a freebie or an empty gesture.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 4th December 12:32

Seriously?!

Whatever I say you will find or invent fault in it. You know it and I know it. You're just like that,.

His opinion cannot diminish the objective success of various SNP policies.

I suspect the issue for you is that their successes are, at best, subjective successes which don't remotely stack up against the objective failures (like Scottish Education). Hence, better to deflect - as you have - rather than have to defend the disparity between your claimed successes and their claimed failures

[Rollin]

Edinburger said:

Cantaloupe said:

Rollin said:

You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

I think a fair percentage of Scottish voters do exactly that, happy to vote for SNP but have no interest in separation.

Yep, a lot of poeple are inti-independence but pro-SNP.

A lot of idiots then.

[emicen]

Edinburger said:

Cantaloupe said:

Rollin said:

You would have to be a total bell end to vote for the SNP because you perceive their policies to be working, but not want independence.

I think a fair percentage of Scottish voters do exactly that, happy to vote for SNP but have no interest in separation.

Yep, a lot of poeple are inti-independence but pro-SNP.

We shall see soon enough.

If you look at voting trends across the last 30 years in Scotland, the SNP saw a massive leap in the 2015 General Election, 1.45m votes right after 1.62m voted for independence and didn’t get it. SNP up 950k, Labour down 300k, LibDems down 240k, voter turnout up.

Move on 2 years, go through a Brexit referendum, have ourselves a 2017 General Election. Whilst a lower turnout, the SNP lost nearly half a million votes, with the Conservatives gaining over 300k.

To me, that reads as people previously spread across all parties wanting independence not getting it, voting for the party who claim they will do best for Scotland [2015], then realising all they are capable of doing is banging their 1 incessant drum and st stirring [2017].

Edited by emicen on Wednesday 4th December 14:45

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

So are you really trying to say the good delivered by the SNP has been "superficial"? Really?!

Remember that virtually anything bad that happens in Scotland is brought up in this thread and attributed (often wrongly) to the SNP.

Let me contest your "hyperbolic rubbish" point:

Real wage growth is down.
Productivity is down.
Employment rates are down.
Investment is down (company and personal).
FTSE 250 is down since the EU referendum.
Sterling's fall and heightened economic uncertainty have left our economy with the lowest annual growth in the G7.


I know we are better than forecast but it's not pretty.

Anyway, we digress. The fact is that this thread is now mainly about SNP / Scotland-bashing than any meaningful discussion about the prospect of Scottish independence.

Source?





https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

Edited by simoid on Wednesday 4th December 11:21

FT the other day. I could dig out the actual quote later if need be.

That’s peculiar. I can’t see it, and the ONS website shows employment rate at 76% +/- 0.1% for a number of months. Its highest ever level.



Are you perhaps confusing rates of employment with rates of unemployment?

[simoid]

Fakenewsburger said:

FTSE 250 is down since the EU referendum.

And if you wouldn’t mind your source for that claim, too, please.



You say it’s down since the EU referendum but it looks like it’s up by 1/4 to me.