Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[csd19]

jshell said:

I hate them so much that I can't make a reasoned reply.

The SNP are about dragging everyone down to the same level, not supporting and encouraging growth.

Communists.

But you'll get fed some nonsense line about it making everything "fair" - newsflash SNP, life isn't fair, what are you going to do about that?

Stop fking meddling in the lives of people who want to succeed and/or do the best for their children. Short-sighted, envious and pathetic really don't cover this latest news.

[NoddyonNitrous]

IFS says SNP manifesto = austerity

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50657846

[irc]

I see the SNP minimum alcohol policy is another winner. More profit for shops, higher prices for drinkers. Meanwhile alcohol related deaths down in England but up in Scotland.
Evidence based policy?

Never mind independence I'm going off devolution.


https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2019/12/a...

[simoid]

“Put another way, the alcohol-related death rate rose from 20.5 to 20.8 per 100,000 in Scotland, but fell from 11.1 to 10.7 per 100,000 in England.”

Our alcohol death rate is nearly twice as much as England

[stevensdrs]

simoid said:

“Put another way, the alcohol-related death rate rose from 20.5 to 20.8 per 100,000 in Scotland, but fell from 11.1 to 10.7 per 100,000 in England.”

Our alcohol death rate is nearly twice as much as England

It is and it has fk all to do with the price.

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

Big Robbo said:

Point is....everybody who has commented on this thread from north of the border seems to agree that the SNP are actually not very good at what they are supposed to be doing, that is , supplying good health care services, good schools etc to the people of Scotland HOWEVER when an election arrives people will still vote for them because they are the best of a bad bunch. Some Scots NOT ALL, will not vote on matters that concern the whole of the UK of which Scotland voted to remain part of because they can't see past the end of their nationalistic noses. That's all

Not sure that's true - I have a more balanced view. The SNP do some good things and they do some things well, and they do some bad things and they do some things poorly.

This thread was set-up all those years ago to discuss and debate the merits of Scottish independence in the run-up to the 2014 referendum. It has morphed into just SNP-bashing and anything-that-happens-in-Scotland-bashing.

....,

Because in the real world there is no discussion to be had about Scottish independence any more, its a dead issue.

Every serious commentator/economist/banker agrees that It would fail catastrophically economically, its simply not viable.

Anybody politician that says "of course Scotland could make a go of it" is simply being politically correct. The truth is it would be a fking disaster and they all know it (but dare not say so because the precious Nats don't like to be told that). It would also be immensely time consuming and expensive for the remainder of the UK (Brexit or no Brexit)

Scotland represents only about 6% of the UK in terms of population, so less than 3% of the electorate actually have an axe to grind about Independence.

Meanwhile the subject of Scottish Independence continues to take up far more than its fair share of political bandwidth and frankly most of the rest of the 97% wish that the SNP & its ilk would just STFU and go away now.

Scotland had its vote, its done, The rest of us have stuff to be dealing with & we are bored of it now. Time for the Nats to shut up & stop whingeing about independence and start contributing/doing something useful instead.

Will never happen, obviously (!) because they are fundamentally selfish & self centred tts!

[B210bandit]

You hate the Scots who want self government. It's like down here in England. The boomers hate the young, the country folks hate the townies, the English hate the non-English and leavers loather remainers. The Union doesn't have much left in it, really. It's a damp fart after a night of eating curry, leaving an uncomfortable feeling for all.

[amusingduck]

csd19 said:

FTFY.

O/T for a sec and going back to one of your earlier postings, but would you allow immigration of Scots who have a well-paid job that doesn't tie them to live in the geography in Scotland? Or is naebody gettin' in?

Asking for a friend...

Surely we'd welcome the good people of Scotland with open arms. Maybe even help them with the costs of moving south.

Expensive, sure, but we can't just leave them to rot under SNP tyranny. Best to get the mass exodus done quickly so we can all get comfy and watch the show

[technodup]

B210bandit said:

You hate the Scots who want self government. It's like down here in England. The boomers hate the young, the country folks hate the townies, the English hate the non-English and leavers loather remainers. The Union doesn't have much left in it, really. It's a damp fart after a night of eating curry, leaving an uncomfortable feeling for all.

What a crock of st. You could say exactly the same about pretty much every other country out there. Oooh, older folk don't understand youngsters and vice versa, what original thoughts you have there.

[bp1]

B210bandit said:

You hate the Scots who want self government. It's like down here in England. The boomers hate the young, the country folks hate the townies, the English hate the non-English and leavers loather remainers. The Union doesn't have much left in it, really. It's a damp fart after a night of eating curry, leaving an uncomfortable feeling for all.

This is a parody account like Titania McGrath, right?
If not

[bp1]

ABZ RS6 said:

FamousPheasant said:

As per the SCIS: "Independent schools in Scotland dedicate over £30 million a year towards means tested bursaries. They also share facilities with the local community, as well as working in partnership with local authority schools to share staff expertise and teaching facilities to the benefit of all pupils involved."

The first cost saving the independent schools will make is to scrap all these effort because if they don’t I for one will be asking our Headmaster why not.

I'll be doing the same. They want to put costs up 20% then the charity/community work can gtf.

[NoddyonNitrous]

bp1 said:

ABZ RS6 said:

FamousPheasant said:

As per the SCIS: "Independent schools in Scotland dedicate over £30 million a year towards means tested bursaries. They also share facilities with the local community, as well as working in partnership with local authority schools to share staff expertise and teaching facilities to the benefit of all pupils involved."

The first cost saving the independent schools will make is to scrap all these effort because if they don’t I for one will be asking our Headmaster why not.

I'll be doing the same. They want to put costs up 20% then the charity/community work can gtf.

it starts in September
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50665658

[B210bandit]

technodup said:

B210bandit said:

You hate the Scots who want self government. It's like down here in England. The boomers hate the young, the country folks hate the townies, the English hate the non-English and leavers loather remainers. The Union doesn't have much left in it, really. It's a damp fart after a night of eating curry, leaving an uncomfortable feeling for all.

What a crock of st. You could say exactly the same about pretty much every other country out there. Oooh, older folk don't understand youngsters and vice versa, what original thoughts you have there.

This is the sort of hatred I'm talking about. Defensive, regretful, like the best years are in the past (for the Union and the poster).

[B210bandit]

bp1 said:

B210bandit said:

You hate the Scots who want self government. It's like down here in England. The boomers hate the young, the country folks hate the townies, the English hate the non-English and leavers loather remainers. The Union doesn't have much left in it, really. It's a damp fart after a night of eating curry, leaving an uncomfortable feeling for all.

This is a parody account like Titania McGrath, right?
If not

It's for real. I've lived in a number of countries over the decades and the English really loathe each other.

[simoid]

NoddyonNitrous said:

it starts in September
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50665658

Still has a couple of processes to go through by the looks of it? Not sure how arduous they are.

[simoid]

B210bandit said:

It's for real. I've lived in a number of countries over the decades and the English really loathe each other.

Maybe so, but suggesting it’s any worse than other countries, and a reason to break the country up, is totally beyond ridiculous.

[jshell]

simoid said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

it starts in September
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50665658

Still has a couple of processes to go through by the looks of it? Not sure how arduous they are.

The SNP are utterly corrupt with backhanders for planning and ghost contracts everywhere. They will get it through as they have to punish the Rich!

[technodup]

B210bandit said:

This is the sort of hatred I'm talking about. Defensive, regretful, like the best years are in the past (for the Union and the poster).

I think you don't understand the meaning of hatred.

[Gecko1978]

NoddyonNitrous said:

bp1 said:

ABZ RS6 said:

FamousPheasant said:

As per the SCIS: "Independent schools in Scotland dedicate over £30 million a year towards means tested bursaries. They also share facilities with the local community, as well as working in partnership with local authority schools to share staff expertise and teaching facilities to the benefit of all pupils involved."

The first cost saving the independent schools will make is to scrap all these effort because if they don’t I for one will be asking our Headmaster why not.

I'll be doing the same. They want to put costs up 20% then the charity/community work can gtf.

it starts in September
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50665658

unintended consequences but if state schools no longer get access to facilities an some parents pull kids out to go to free state sector will the Scottish government deem it a success.

[Evercross]

Gecko1978 said:

unintended consequences but if state schools no longer get access to facilities an some parents pull kids out to go to free state sector will the Scottish government deem it a success.

The SNP have made it a stated aim of their education policy to 'close the attainment gap'. Right now ALL the evidence suggests that their chosen method of achieving this is to drag the best pupils down.