Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

General Price said:

Did she mention meeting with Leidos in February,a few weeks after awarding them a multi million pound NHS contract.

They are an American defence company,you know those Americans Sturgeon is going to save the NHS from.

Her hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Burger - given the very very good comment earlier. Can you address this issue - she is battering the Torys on some Russian leaked document that may or may not be true and has stated the Torys will sell out to the USA..... yet evidently the SNP have already done it.

QED

I know nothing about this.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true.

The figures are accurate - it is the interpretation of them that is subject to condition (see below).

Edinburger said:

The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

Nationalist lie. The figures are known to the penny - it is just the attribution of source that has to carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough' within government. It is just when the same government of Nationalists put on their grievance hat that they go all two-faced and start casting doubt on them or cherry picking from them.

But once again - straight out of the Nationalist playbook of lies and propaganda. We should start calling you Mr. Murrell (or is that bh Sturgeon?!)

[Edinburger]

Kakopetria said:

You’ll have to wait for a reply from Burger I’m afraid, he is to busy calling Alfredo Morelos a prick over on the football site.

Ha ha - not verbatim but not far wrong!

DocJock said:

He's not wrong all the time then...

Ha ha - thanks!!

[Edinburger]

Cantaloupe said:

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

She's their best asset, she's knows now is not the time for Indyref2 , the polls are still 50/50, but I suspect the hardliners in the party are looking to ditch her.

She may very well be. Who else has the charisma and confidence?

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true. The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

But they’re good enough for the SNP to base their case for an independent Scotland on them...




I’m sure you recall their ridiculous claim that Scotland contributes more to the UK exchequer in taxes than is spent.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Big Robbo said:

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

You related to the troll?

Probably married her.

Youy two should be on the stage.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

So why do private schools qualify for charitable status?

I'm heading off to a meeting so won't be around to reply for a while. Just thought I'd add that before my integrity is being questioned.

Because they do lots of charitable things, presumably. Teach promising kids for free who can’t afford the fees, etc

Jeez.

So you’ve said you don’t understand it, some posters have explained why they meet the charitable requirement, including their own personal insight, the charity body themselves says (many?) private schools meet the requirements charities, but it’s still not good enough for you.

Jeez indeed!

"Jeez" was at your flippant responses.

I have read and responded to the detailed points made at me.

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

I've never ever understood why private schools (and some other bodies) qualify for charitable status.

That's the trouble with speed-reading. The answer was given (and linked to) in the last couple of pages of this thread, and have since been spelled out to you again.

What I think you mean is that you haven't bothered to avail yourself to the reasons why private schools qualify for charitable status and settled on the same biased and ignorant opinion that the decision to remove their tax relief is intended to appeal to.

Your latest reply really is an irony. You frequently come in here criticising the level of discussion in the thread and the related issues when by you own admission you don't take the time to appraise yourself of them fully, then present your view through Nationalist blinkers.

Then you wonder why you are called out for it!?

You are right - no one has the time to be dealing with this 24-7, but don't profess on it either unless you are prepared to back yourself up. FTSE and employment figures come to mind......!

Play the ball, not the man.

Inappropriate idiom.

Try 'the man is st at the game and the rest of the players are telling him to get up to speed or get off the park because they are tired of his deflection and blaming of others for his inadequacies'.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 9th December 15:54

Actually, I just don't spend as much time here as I used to.

You were better crack in your previous guise.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Since you’re here, Mr Burger, would you mind awfully telling us where you found your made-up figures to back up your claims that:

UK employment rate is falling;
The FTSE250 index is lower than before the EU Referendum?

I’m sure you’re very busy and need to go and make up some statistics and figures elsewhere.

From memory, I read those on a recent FT article on Scottish independence.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Big Robbo said:

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

You related to the troll?

Probably married her.

Youy two should be on the stage.

I why did you lie to us about UK economic stats?

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true.

The figures are accurate - it is the interpretation of them that is subject to condition (see below).

Edinburger said:

The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

Nationalist lie. The figures are known to the penny - it is just the attribution of source that has to carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough' within government. It is just when the same government of Nationalists put on their grievance hat that they go all two-faced and start casting doubt on them or cherry picking from them.

But once again - straight out of the Nationalist playbook of lies and propaganda. We should start calling you Mr. Murrell (or is that bh Sturgeon?!)

You are becoming really boring.

The exact figures of Scottish income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

You say "the figures are known to the penny" followed by "carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough'"?

Dear oh dear.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true. The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

But they’re good enough for the SNP to base their case for an independent Scotland on them...




I’m sure you recall their ridiculous claim that Scotland contributes more to the UK exchequer in taxes than is spent.

I saw figures which challenge that lately. I'll look it out when I'm back home.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Big Robbo said:

Edinburger said:

Mrs Sturgeon articulating her points and policies well on The Andrew Marr Show right now. ??

You related to the troll?

Probably married her.

Youy two should be on the stage.

I why did you lie to us about UK economic stats?

I didn't lie.

[hidetheelephants]

Edinburger said:

You are becoming really boring.

The exact figures of Scottish income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

You say "the figures are known to the penny" followed by "carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough'"?

Dear oh dear.

Reading comprehension? "Degree of estimate" clearly refers to the source not the figures.

[amusingduck]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true. The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

But they’re good enough for the SNP to base their case for an independent Scotland on them...




I’m sure you recall their ridiculous claim that Scotland contributes more to the UK exchequer in taxes than is spent.

I'd totally give Edinburger a pass on his shonky logic if he said the same thing pre-ref.

But you just know they were good enough for him back then, and I can imagine the kind of response you'd get if you challenged the governments figures at the time

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

I didn't lie.

What did you do then? You told us “the UK is sinking fast” then rhymed off a list of “facts”, of which the first two I checked were bullst. Others are irrelevant to your claim, such as real wage growth slowing. And you won’t reveal where you read the stats because you made them up, or misunderstood catastrophically.

Employment rates are down. They’re actually at their highest ever level

FTSE 250 is down since the EU referendum. It was about 16000 in June 2016 and is now above 20000 ETA - just short of its highest ever level too!

Edited by simoid on Monday 9th December 17:54

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

She may very well be. Who else has the charisma and confidence?

Sorry, what?

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true. The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

But they’re good enough for the SNP to base their case for an independent Scotland on them...




I’m sure you recall their ridiculous claim that Scotland contributes more to the UK exchequer in taxes than is spent.

I saw figures which challenge that lately. I'll look it out when I'm back home.

Suuuure you did; sure you will

[Alpacaman]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true. The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

But they’re good enough for the SNP to base their case for an independent Scotland on them...




I’m sure you recall their ridiculous claim that Scotland contributes more to the UK exchequer in taxes than is spent.

I saw figures which challenge that lately. I'll look it out when I'm back home.

Perhaps you should read this first which details how rubbish the SNP claims are=

https://chokkablog.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-snp-li...

Also Burger I can see you seem to worship Nicola and can't understand why anyone wouldn't, but to many of us she is a terrible single issue politician. Like you, she doesn't seem able to understand, or accept, that many people don't agree with her or believe she is right. She rarely faces any difficult questions, and when she does she struggles to come up with any reasonable answers, mainly because there are no sensible answers when it comes to independence. To those of us in Scotland, who have to put up with her on our screens far too regularly, she comes across very very badly, and we can see she is failing this country.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

I think people discredit the figures because they're just not true.

The figures are accurate - it is the interpretation of them that is subject to condition (see below).

Edinburger said:

The exact figures of income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

Nationalist lie. The figures are known to the penny - it is just the attribution of source that has to carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough' within government. It is just when the same government of Nationalists put on their grievance hat that they go all two-faced and start casting doubt on them or cherry picking from them.

But once again - straight out of the Nationalist playbook of lies and propaganda. We should start calling you Mr. Murrell (or is that bh Sturgeon?!)

You are becoming really boring.

The exact figures of Scottish income tax take and expenditure do not exist.

You say "the figures are known to the penny" followed by "carry a degree of estimate, but the estimates are accepted as 'accurate enough'"?

Dear oh dear.

The exact figures of tax and expenditure do exist. They are a prerequisite of any country seeking IMF accreditation. Read again what I said you blinkered troll - where the estimation occurs is the source ie. how much of the tax is raised in Scotland. The spend part of Scotland is absolutely (and painfully) known. To say that the figures do not exist is a lie that you keep repeating, like when Derek MacKay says a quantifiable amount of extra money is 'a cut in real terms' - utter garbage and lies told intentionally to appeal to idiots and be regurgitated by idiots.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 9th December 19:59