Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[Pastor Of Muppets]

One of the things I would really like to hear some answers on is what would happen with vehicle licensing,

I have asked a number of SNP councillors and party activists this question directly and it is staggering
just how little knowledge or information was forthcoming, the usual answer is 'I will have to look into that',
for such an important facet of possible independence the lack of answers is bewildering. How much
would it cost to set up a SDVLA?, would we be able to keep all our PP's issued by Swansea?, would we all
have to get new driving licences?, what would vehicle excise rates be?, would we need a completely new format
of registration for new vehicles, what would happen with ANPR?, and a whole multitude of other serious questions
need answered on the subject, and more especially the costings.

Just last week I was speaking to a friend about indy (a rampant Nat) and i asked him what would happen
with DVLA, his answer was exactly what I expected.... 'Oh, I've never thought about that'.

And therein sits one of the biggest issues, so many aspects of independence are just not even being broached,
and the topic above is just one of a whole array of issues that most Nats are not even taking into consideration.

There is no doubt whatsoever, Independence led by the SNP is the perfect recipe for a bankrupt Scotland,
and all for what?.

[Evercross]

simoid said:

FTSE250 at record highs and £ up a few cents. The UK is really sinking fast...

Calling Norway......

[loafer123]

alfaspecial said:

The SNP didn't win over 50% of the Scottish vote.
For (in an ideological sense) a single issue party this is a pretty big 'fail'.

If I were Boris Johnson, the first thing I would 'do' (after Brexit), would be boundary changes.

Size of constituencies by electorate
The number of people able to vote (the electorate) differs by constituency. The Office for National Statistics gives the average electorate across constituencies of about:

72,200 in England
67,200 in Scotland
68,300 in Northern Ireland
56,000 in Wales
Source https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-...


This shows that the Welsh / Scottish and Northern Irish are 'better' (in a quantitative if not a qualitative sense!) represented than us English.
Why?
I think the last boundary changes were under the last Labour government, to 'favour' their electoral chances - the LD's in coalition refused to support any changes in a hissy fit after losing the SAV referendum. Theresa May threw away her majority before changes to constituencies had been put through.
So Boris will/should even out average size of constituencies. Immediately.


The SNP only got 4% of the national vote. Proposed independence affects us all so we all (E/W/S/NI) should have a say in any attempt to break up the UK. IMHO.

The Boundary Commission has already done all the work, all that has to happen is for it to be approved.

[Big Easy]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

One of the things I would really like to hear some answers on is what would happen with vehicle licensing,

I have asked a number of SNP councillors and party activists this question directly and it is staggering
just how little knowledge or information was forthcoming, the usual answer is 'I will have to look into that',
for such an important facet of possible independence the lack of answers is bewildering. How much
would it cost to set up a SDVLA?, would we be able to keep all our PP's issued by Swansea?, would we all
have to get new driving licences?, what would vehicle excise rates be?, would we need a completely new format
of registration for new vehicles, what would happen with ANPR?, and a whole multitude of other serious questions
need answered on the subject, and more especially the costings.

Just last week I was speaking to a friend about indy (a rampant Nat) and i asked him what would happen
with DVLA, his answer was exactly what I expected.... 'Oh, I've never thought about that'.

And therein sits one of the biggest issues, so many aspects of independence are just not even being broached,
and the topic above is just one of a whole array of issues that most Nats are not even taking into consideration.

There is no doubt whatsoever, Independence led by the SNP is the perfect recipe for a bankrupt Scotland,
and all for what?.

Yes, the DVLA is definitely the biggest issue to be considered. Scotland would obviously be incapable of taking over the fine work that they do and we'd have to revert to walking, maybe cycling if we can figure out how to maintain a bicycle.

[NRS]

Order66 said:

Lannister902 said:

I really don't blame the majority of Scotland wanting to gtfo of the UK with BJ in charge

They don't - last night the pro-independence parties got 45% of the vote. Just because party arithmetic handed the SNP a lot of seats, doesn't change the fact that the majority of Scots DON'T want independence.

And those stats are wrong in today's news. It's only around 20% of Scotland that voted for independence (1.2 million). Remember, with Brexit etc you don't just count the people that bothered to vote, you compare against the entire population including those that didn't bother to vote, to make the % look smaller.

[Edinburger]

[mcdjl]

funkyrobot said:

mikal83 said:

Please please please Mr Johnson. Give them another vote.................PLEASE.

One condition: if the SNP lose it NS et al sod off to St Helena with no way of communicating with the out side world, or alternatively are made to wear electronic filters that mask out the phrases 'scottish independence', 'referendum' westminster's fault' and 'will of the people'.

[simoid]

Brave Fart said:

Another thing. I keep hearing Sturgeon say "Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU". But it was a vote to decide what the UK as a whole wanted. It didn't ask "does your bit want to remain?" did it?

My view: UK-wide vote, therefore "this bit voted to leave / remain / whatever" type comments are simply irrelevant. UK vote, UK consequences.

The only thing we can state with any accuracy is that a majority of Scots would prefer the UK to stay in the EU.

And this only counted for a particular day in June 2016 because that result doesn’t count apparently

[simoid]

mcdjl said:

One condition: if the SNP lose it NS et al sod off to St Helena with no way of communicating with the out side world, or alternatively are made to wear electronic filters that mask out the phrases 'scottish independence', 'referendum' westminster's fault' and 'will of the people'.

“We’ve been very clear that... because of and we must immediately have ”

[swisstoni]

Scotland isn’t a going concern.
The EU are fine for those at the moment.

[Evercross]

NRS said:

And those stats are wrong in today's news. It's only around 20% of Scotland that voted for independence (1.2 million). Remember, with Brexit etc you don't just count the people that bothered to vote, you compare against the entire population including those that didn't bother to vote, to make the % look smaller.

It is a fair point, because in a binary issue such as a referendum, to abstain is to give effectively your vote to the winning side whatever that turns out to be. It might not be the abstainer's intention, but it is the consequence.

[mikal83]

mcdjl said:

funkyrobot said:

mikal83 said:

Please please please Mr Johnson. Give them another vote.................PLEASE.

One condition: if the SNP lose it NS et al sod off to St Helena with no way of communicating with the out side world, or alternatively are made to wear electronic filters that mask out the phrases 'scottish independence', 'referendum' westminster's fault' and 'will of the people'.

LOL

[Evercross]

Anyhoo, a lot of my colleagues are walking around in a daze today. Some are committed SNats but the rest are Labour-leaning but gave their vote to the SNP yesterday, and are wondering why today we have a Conservative government.....

[hidetheelephants]

PRTVR said:

glazbagun said:

PRTVR said:

Maybe the time has come and start planning for independence, removing jobs that are UK specific,military ship building, banks, civil servants that are not wholly connected to Scotland, is it not better to prepared?

Whilst having a plan is always a good idea (take note, DC), expecting a country to leave because they won't vote Boris Tory in large enough numbers is a bit extreme. Your plan would likely bolster the secessionist narrative of evil Tories punishing Scotland.

In this very thread we have posters lamenting the lack of decent choice up here. The SNP are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives (even if they are a stuck record & poor PR south of the border) so they'll gain whilst Labour & the Lib Dems continue flailing.

I hear what you say, but was not a vote for SNP a vote for what they stand for , which is independence and to be in the EU, the choice in many areas was limited, but people voted conservative, these are choices people make, democracy.

Look at the shift in vote share; in Scotland last night was about how st Corbyn's Labour are and not much else.

loafer123 said:

The Boundary Commission has already done all the work, all that has to happen is for it to be approved.

The opposition will whine about it being out-of-date because the review started under Cameron and it should be torn up and done again.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 13th December 13:53

[Evercross]

hidetheelephants said:

ook at the shift in vote share; in Scotland last night was about how st Corbyn's Labour are and not much else.

Anecdotal evidence from my colleagues would suggest that is indeed the case.

[Mothersruin]

Boris should Turn round to Crankie and say, 'Go on then, you've got six weeks, in your own time...'

Then respect the result.

[simoid]

Mothersruin said:

Boris should Turn round to Crankie and say, 'Go on then, you've got six weeks, in your own time...'

Then respect the result.

Decent shout. I say, if we’re doing it, we’re doing it properly. None of this nebulous Brexit nonsense as that’s only caused hassle.

Scottish secretary: work out the terms; and tell us the price to get out of the UK. SNP finance minister MacKay - give us the cost benefit analysis “Yellowhammer” then we’ll vote.

[Strocky]

Get Brexit Done
Say no to Indy Ref 2

Two different slogans
Two different countries

[Strocky]

wc98 said:

calm down big man, look at the actual numbers that voted snp to understand the real percentage of the population up here that support them. remember more scots voted to leave the eu than voted for snp at the last election.

Buffet Option A, banana or orange
Buffet Option B, grapefruit, cantaloupe, grapes, pear, plums or greens

[Evercross]

Strocky said:

Say no to Indy Ref 2

Nicola Sturgeon this morning on the BBC said:

A vote for the SNP yesterday was not necessarily a vote for independence.