Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[andymadmak]

On a slightly different note, some friends and I are thinking about where we might spend NYE 2020/21. (yes, we like to plan)
Current favourite destination amongst the group is Edinburgh..

1. Anything we should specifically look to do?
2. We are all English (well, I'm a Yorkshireman really, but let's not confuse things!) - will we be safe or can I expect abuse?

[Leithen]

andymadmak said:

On a slightly different note, some friends and I are thinking about where we might spend NYE 2020/21. (yes, we like to plan)
Current favourite destination amongst the group is Edinburgh..

1. Anything we should specifically look to do?
2. We are all English (well, I'm a Yorkshireman really, but let's not confuse things!) - will we be safe or can I expect abuse?

You'll be fine - especially in Edinburgh, and double especially over NY - visitors from all over the world.

Keep your ear to the ground about Underbelly who operate NY - much local angst about the way it is run - but I can't see it changing.

[andymadmak]

Leithen said:

You'll be fine - especially in Edinburgh, and double especially over NY - visitors from all over the world.

Keep your ear to the ground about Underbelly who operate NY - much local angst about the way it is run - but I can't see it changing.

Thanks for the super quick response. Much appreciated

[Edinburger]

andymadmak said:

Leithen said:

You'll be fine - especially in Edinburgh, and double especially over NY - visitors from all over the world.

Keep your ear to the ground about Underbelly who operate NY - much local angst about the way it is run - but I can't see it changing.

Thanks for the super quick response. Much appreciated

I agree with Leithen - come to Edinburgh as NY is absolutely superb here.

Please do not worry about abuse because you're English. And please do not think this thread is a snapshot of Scotland or Scottish culture in any way.

I guarantee you will have a fantastic time.

ETA You asked for things to do so look at the obvious things such as the bells, the fireworks, the Christmas market, the events in the New Town but also consider shows (comedy, music, etc.), look at the open bus tours which cover a lot Edinburgh's history, think about the castle and/or Holyrood Palace too. Look around the Old Town and I'm told the vaults are very good. If you're bringing kids then that's a different ball game.

Let me know if you want any more recommendations and feel free to PM me if you like. You will have a fantastic time.

Edited by Edinburger on Tuesday 21st January 06:21

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

Perhaps I should have said those are the only two models which might satisfy someone who's priority is self-determination for the people of Scotland.

Which is a minority of the people of Scotland. Take away the people who want independence because of their xenophobic dislike of the English plus the ones who treat it as a proxy for anti-Toryism and the number is even less.

Plus, what exactly is 'self-determination' anyway as it is too broad-brush a term. The question always exist as to whether it makes sense to have overarching services micromanaged to the same conclusion by disparate groups when it would be more efficient to manage them centrally. Some services do merit local treatment, which is why devolution is the solution we have reached.

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

Not completely wrong and mot completely right in my opinion, but good points made.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Edinburger said:

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

Perhaps I should have said those are the only two models which might satisfy someone who's priority is self-determination for the people of Scotland.

Which is a minority of the people of Scotland. Take away the people who want independence because of their xenophobic dislike of the English plus the ones who treat it as a proxy for anti-Toryism and the number is even less.

Plus, what exactly is 'self-determination' anyway as it is too broad-brush a term. The question always exist as to whether it makes sense to have overarching services micromanaged to the same conclusion by disparate groups when it would be more efficient to manage them centrally. Some services do merit local treatment, which is why devolution is the solution we have reached.

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

Not completely wrong and mot completely right in my opinion, but good points made.

Hardly worth your time debating with SNat's EC, all you ever get for your well constructed and grammatically excellent
posts are completely irrelevant one line answers, often with indecipherable content as we can see here.

Par for the course with SNat's, as one would expect, all rather shouty but with very little to say.

[Cantaloupe]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Par for the course with SNat's, as one would expect, all rather shouty but with very little to say.

To be fair, the more erudite and intelligent separatists generally head for other boards like Wings Over Scotland,
they don't get such a hard time there

[Alpacaman]

Cantaloupe said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Par for the course with SNat's, as one would expect, all rather shouty but with very little to say.

To be fair, the more erudite and intelligent separatists generally head for other boards like Wings Over Scotland,
they don't get such a hard time there

Those are two words I never expected to see associated with nationalists.

So they only like discussing with people who agree with them? Sounds about right, anything to avoid difficult questions they have no answer to.

[Cantaloupe]

Fatty Blackford and his unfortunate mental health problem of iterating the same grievance at every PM QT, this time he gripes that all the UK devolved administrations are being ignored by Fatty Boris as he twirls his moustache. laughs maniacally, and prepares to pass the bill that enables the UK to start the process of finally leaving the EU.

Can it be arranged for Blackford to have a tattoo on his forehead saying "The EU referendum was a UK wide vote ".

[whoami]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...

Just after he’s moved there too.

[Evercross]

whoami said:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/...

Just after he’s moved there too.

Humza Useless strikes again. They should really put him in the same box they've hidden Angela Constance in.

[A.J.M]

Just remember.

Stronger for Scotland, look at the marches and banners we hold.
Just ignore the train wreak of everything else.

[whoami]

Another one?

[Evercross]

whoami said:

Another one?

The same one, again. Humza's the guy that got caught driving without insurance. Either the SNP were being ironic or grossly stupid when they made him Justice Minister.

PS. He was Transport Minister when he got done.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 24th January 09:23

[sugerbear]

Evercross said:

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

You mean brexit right?

[Evercross]

sugerbear said:

Evercross said:

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

You mean brexit right?

Not quite. Brexit was passed by a majority of the UK populace in a democratic vote. That is why the SNP want a re-run of the independence vote.

[Troubleatmill]

Evercross said:

sugerbear said:

Evercross said:

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

You mean brexit right?

Not quite. Brexit was passed by a majority of the UK populace in a democratic vote. That is why the SNP want a re-run of the independence vote.

Today is Friday - and the weather is ste. That alone is enough of a reason for Nats to demand another referendum.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Cantaloupe said:

Fatty Blackford and his unfortunate mental health problem of iterating the same grievance at every PM QT, this time he gripes that all the UK devolved administrations are being ignored by Fatty Boris as he twirls his moustache. laughs maniacally, and prepares to pass the bill that enables the UK to start the process of finally leaving the EU.

Can it be arranged for Blackford to have a tattoo on his forehead saying "The EU referendum was a UK wide vote ".

It possibly could, but it would have to be printed backwards, because he would not be able to see it, or even understand it unless he looked at it in a mirror! Just sayin

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

sugerbear said:

Evercross said:

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

You mean brexit right?

Not quite. Brexit was passed by a majority of the UK populace in a democratic vote. That is why the SNP want a re-run of the independence vote.

barely a third of the electorate, and if you stripped out the racists/morons, a lot less.

[amusingduck]

deadslow said:

Evercross said:

sugerbear said:

Evercross said:

Unfortunately a group of political opportunists want to abuse it for their own ambitions though.

You mean brexit right?

Not quite. Brexit was passed by a majority of the UK populace in a democratic vote. That is why the SNP want a re-run of the independence vote.

barely a third of the electorate, and if you stripped out the racists/morons, a lot less.

Still clutching that comfort blanket? Bless.