Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Big Robbo said:
technodup said:
I see my post listing SNP sleaze has been removed. Not sure why as it's all on record, maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the phrasing...
Salmond - in court for attempted rape
Sturgeon - allegedly covering up her homosexuality
McGarry - convicted of embezzlement
McNeil - admitted fondling a 17yo and pumping the SNP bike
Hosie - affair with the SNP bike whilst married
Yousaf - fined for no car insurance
Mason - refuses to represent constituents
I'm sure I have forgotten some. This is the sleaze list. The list of ineptitude, to include gems such as offensive singing, named persons, baby boxes, airport purchases, ferry building etc I'll leave to someone else.
I've had posts removed, must be a few sensitive souls on here that struggle to deal with the facts when you point them out.... Salmond - in court for attempted rape
Sturgeon - allegedly covering up her homosexuality
McGarry - convicted of embezzlement
McNeil - admitted fondling a 17yo and pumping the SNP bike
Hosie - affair with the SNP bike whilst married
Yousaf - fined for no car insurance
Mason - refuses to represent constituents
I'm sure I have forgotten some. This is the sleaze list. The list of ineptitude, to include gems such as offensive singing, named persons, baby boxes, airport purchases, ferry building etc I'll leave to someone else.
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Why not here?Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Because there's nothing stopping any immigrant from heading straight down the M1 to London.
Immigration isn't a devolved matter.
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
BBC said:
However powers over immigration are currently reserved to Westminster.
Edinburger said:
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
If Nicola Sturgeon and her predecessor had spent the last 13 years running a competent government and acting in the best interests of Scotland and the UK then theoretically it could be a benefit, but as she and the SNP have demonstrated time and again that (a)they are incapable of managing devolved services competently and are struggling to be in a position to handle powers they asked for 6 years ago and (b)they will use any extra powers to disrupt, posture, virtue signal and where possible undermine central government the answer has to be (and will be) not a hope in hell, missus.Oh, and this...
HD Adam said:
Because there's nothing stopping any immigrant from heading straight down the M1 to London.
Edited by Evercross on Monday 27th January 14:02
Evercross said:
Alpacaman said:
Daisley's writings on Scottish politics and independence are excellent - his sardonic wit is second-to-none.The tone of this piece is very different though and he absolutely sums up the growing depression felt by those who know that the SNP's obsession with independence is harming Scotland, not just with Blackford's inane repetitiveness in Parliament making us look like a bunch of selfish teenagers, but with the total lack of attention being paid to governance.
Stephen Daisley said:
This is what charges them, what gets the blood up. Flags and symbols. Imaginary statistics and imaginary racism. Bravehearts and sell-outs. Nicola Sturgeon sits at the apex of this grand victimhood complex, this stirring of animus and poking of wounds passing for a respectable political movement.
These are not progressives or idealists or radicals. They are callous ideologues who have sacrificed the well-being of people they will never have to look in the eye to pursue the only thing they ever have or ever will give a damn about. They love Scotland but only on their terms. The nation must change to earn their ardour.
It is hard to dispute that they have captured the hearts of a large minority of Scots, many of whom are to be found suffering among the bulging statistics of 13 years of indifference and incompetence.
Each and every Nationalist has to bear the responsibility for this. I anticipate the whitabootery from Strocky or the flippant denial from Edinburger, but the SNP took the decision to rename the Scottish Executive the Scottish Government. They gave themselves the title so maybe it is about time they assumed the mantle too?These are not progressives or idealists or radicals. They are callous ideologues who have sacrificed the well-being of people they will never have to look in the eye to pursue the only thing they ever have or ever will give a damn about. They love Scotland but only on their terms. The nation must change to earn their ardour.
It is hard to dispute that they have captured the hearts of a large minority of Scots, many of whom are to be found suffering among the bulging statistics of 13 years of indifference and incompetence.
Edited by Evercross on Monday 27th January 13:50
There are 2 ways to put an end to this continual ranting, give them independence or vote them out of office.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
deadslow said:
barely a third of the electorate, and if you stripped out the racists/morons, a lot less.
Wow, the expected pitiful post from someone who has lost the debate. The gift that keeps on giving :-)Edited by topsey.mod on Monday 27th January 09:13
your assumption makes you look daft. I am not a Remain voter. My statement is just the simple truth.Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Hardly interesting or even unexpected is it? SNP seek to try and separate Scotland from the UK even further, and set up a separate system. Rather than working with the UK government, if they felt things needed to be done differently, they try and create a grievance because they know the UK will turn down the request and then they can play at victim again.Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
I remember posting about a Westminster committee looking into seasonal workers and an employment agency said they struggled to get people to go to Scotland and said people had told them "we won't pick strawberries and we won't go to Scotland" because of how they felt they would be treated. Perhaps start by looking at why people don't want to work here?
deadslow said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
deadslow said:
barely a third of the electorate, and if you stripped out the racists/morons, a lot less.
Wow, the expected pitiful post from someone who has lost the debate. The gift that keeps on giving :-)Edited by topsey.mod on Monday 27th January 09:13
your assumption makes you look daft. I am not a Remain voter. My statement is just the simple truth.Alpacaman said:
Can you take your Brexit argument to a Brexit thread? Thanks.
Not like there aren't several hundred to choose from!
hutchst said:
There are 2 ways to put an end to this continual ranting, give them independence or vote them out of office.
Yeah, but Scotland has a government it didn't vote for, because the SNP took power with a minority of the votes.Edited by Evercross on Monday 27th January 14:35
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
The UK hasn't got a scooby how many people are coming in and out, how is Sturgeon going to keep tabs on everyone? Especially as already noted we have one of the world's powerhouse cities on our doorstep?Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Start easy. Let's see if she can identify and account for everyone in Govanhill...
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
interesting ? yes that might be one word to describe it. i would prefer to use another term oft associated with the snp. more delusional s***. how on earth anyone can think among the many issues facing scotland today (as a result of snp ineptitude) that this would be worth wasting brain power on, never mind taxpayer money ,is beyond me.Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
wc98 said:
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
interesting ? yes that might be one word to describe it. i would prefer to use another term oft associated with the snp. more delusional s***. how on earth anyone can think among the many issues facing scotland today (as a result of snp ineptitude) that this would be worth wasting brain power on, never mind taxpayer money ,is beyond me.Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
750turbo said:
She has finally lost the plot with this latest stuff. Unbelievable
I made the point a few weeks ago in this thread that the UK parliamentary response to these requests for more powers should be a firm and very public reminder that there are several powers that the SNP requested and were granted as part of the last Scotland Act that they still have not taken responsibility for, having twice deferred assuming control of them, and until those powers are adopted in full and have a passed an audit demonstrating a positive benefit to the Scottish populace as a result then no further discussion on devolved powers will be entered into.I would like to hear from one of our Nationalist apologists why this would not be a reasonable stance to take.
Edited by Evercross on Monday 27th January 19:56
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Might not be a bad thingGiven the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
However from the report done by PWC and the City of London.
PWC said:
Historical Lessons for the UK
The UK also had a type of regional visa with the Fresh Talent in Scotland Scheme which encouraged international students to live and work in Scotland.
The scheme was successful in that it encouraged international students to apply for a Scottish visa, on completion of their studies. However, candidates only needed to show an intent to work in the country and their visa was not tied to any specific employer. Therefore, it was difficult to govern, leading to confusion and some non-compliance among employers and candidates.
The models set forth in this paper stipulate a more rigorous governance structure, whereby HMRC would share information with the UKVI and visas would be tied to employers within a region.
http://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Regional-Visas.pdfThe UK also had a type of regional visa with the Fresh Talent in Scotland Scheme which encouraged international students to live and work in Scotland.
The scheme was successful in that it encouraged international students to apply for a Scottish visa, on completion of their studies. However, candidates only needed to show an intent to work in the country and their visa was not tied to any specific employer. Therefore, it was difficult to govern, leading to confusion and some non-compliance among employers and candidates.
The models set forth in this paper stipulate a more rigorous governance structure, whereby HMRC would share information with the UKVI and visas would be tied to employers within a region.
Fingers crossed they don't mess it up (again).
Alpacaman said:
Edinburger said:
This is interesting: Sturgeon calls for powers to set up 'Scottish visa' system.
Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
Hardly interesting or even unexpected is it? SNP seek to try and separate Scotland from the UK even further, and set up a separate system. Rather than working with the UK government, if they felt things needed to be done differently, they try and create a grievance because they know the UK will turn down the request and then they can play at victim again.Given the challenges with demographics, it's not a bad idea at all.
Before the usual suspects reply with "SNP = Bad", remember that regional visas work well in other countries, So why not here?
It's well known that some parts of Scotland have an issue with alcohol and many people on this thread were very critical of the Scottish Government's proposal to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol.
Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
Edinburger said:
It's well known that some parts of Scotland have an issue with alcohol and many people on this thread were very critical of the Scottish Government's proposal to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol.
Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
It would be interesting to see sales figures from the English side of the border specifically, the booze run may be alive and kicking. Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
PRTVR said:
Edinburger said:
It's well known that some parts of Scotland have an issue with alcohol and many people on this thread were very critical of the Scottish Government's proposal to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol.
Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
It would be interesting to see sales figures from the English side of the border specifically, the booze run may be alive and kicking. Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
The fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
quote "A study for NHS Scotland found that alcohol sales jumped by 40% in one English supermarket close to the border and 25% in another, in the three months after cheap alcohol sales were banned in Scotland."
Edinburger said:
It's well known that some parts of Scotland have an issue with alcohol and many people on this thread were very critical of the Scottish Government's proposal to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol.
Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
he fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
The report's conclusions don't say that. That may be the case but the report simply says there is a narrowing of the gap between Scotland and England.Yet here we have NHS research which shows during the first year of minimum pricing for alcohol the volume of alcohol sold per person in Scotland dropped from 7.4 to 7.1 litres - a fall of 3.6%. In England and Wales - where minimum pricing was not implemented - the volume rose from 6.3 to 6.5 litres.
I'll sit back and await the "yeah but it's not fair", "yeah but SNP bad", "yadder, yadder, yadder...".
he fact is that this as a small change which has made a positive impact on society.
Source: http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/evalua... & https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51269004
It's single factor high level analysis with little breakdown and few qualitative aspects, such as looking at the underlying demographics or the mix of alcohol sold, it's looking only at pure alcohol units which is a bit of an abstract measure in real life.
I'm actually supportive of minimum pricing but I don't think the detail here tells us much. These numbers could have been put together by the supermarkets.
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