Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[rossub]

Edinburger said:

rossub said:

4% of the UK vote and they demand a place on a national TV debate?

They really are utterly, utterly deluded.

They’re the third largest party in Parliament.

Still only 9% of the seats.

[biggbn]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

I really struggle to see why people would want to vote for cretins like Blackford, a more unsavoury and deceitful
politician you would struggle to find, well ok there are a few but he is particularly rancid.

If there was a pie in the Skye his fingers would be in it, his face alone is doing Scotland's image great harm and thats
before he even starts one his venomous spit filled rants. I pray the people of Scotland get rid of him, an absolute
affront to our country. How the hell did our standard of MP's drop this low?

To match the general standard accepted nationwide?

[technodup]

Klippie said:

Just watched Sturgen on the box...thank Christ the telly was out of kicking range, she is excruciating to watch its all the same recycled pish that spouts from her gob

Raging that 'Scotland's voice isn't being heard' whilst roundly ignoring the result when Scotland's voice was absolutely and unequivocally heard. They don't do irony.

Meanwhile we're most of the way through a decade of endless referendum pish, with no end in sight. 'More politics' is always good for those gravy train s, but can people not see it's no good for the rest of us?

[NoddyonNitrous]

She didn't come across well, did she? Angry, cold, unpleasant manner throughout. Then she fell straight into the trap of the IACGMOOH question (as, to be fair did most of the others other than Farage and the Green woman). A chance to show some warmth, humour, think-on-your-feet unscripted stuff; nope, straight into 'I want to send them in to suffer'. And the snide, shouted off-camera comment at the end....Oh dear Nicola. I am so glad I'm not Mr Murrell.

[Welshbeef]

IACGMOOH

What does this mean?

[technodup]

I'm a celebrity...

[Dinoboy]

Let her have her referendum.its the only thing that's going to shut her up.

[simoid]

Welshbeef said:

IACGMOOH

What does this mean?

Have you heard of google?

[simoid]

Dinoboy said:

Let her have her referendum.its the only thing that's going to shut her up.

That’s what we thought the last times.

[Ridgemont]

NoddyonNitrous said:

She didn't come across well, did she? ....straight into 'I want to send them in to suffer'. And the snide, shouted off-camera comment at the end....Oh dear Nicola. I am so glad I'm not Mr Murrell.

That was all a bit dark. The suffer bit was especially unpleasant...

[Pastor Of Muppets]

simoid said:

Dinoboy said:

Let her have her referendum.its the only thing that's going to shut her up.

That’s what we thought the last time.

Exactly.

What the SNP fail to see though is the absolute fact that the majority of Scots (and others) are
totally scunnered listening to them going on and on and on and on about another referendum, however
it might actually be beneficial to the country because as time goes on the people are getting increasingly
pissed off listening to them to the point I am starting to hear some seriously angry people.

I think also the brexit scenario is showing that referendums are the cause of so much chaos and division
that it will now also massively affect how people would vote if they were subjected to another one, people would
now be even more cautious.

I think after witnessing the chaos caused by the brexit referendum we really need to change the rules
on referendums for such profound issues as independence.
For that we should require a much larger percentage of the population want to change the status quo,
anything less than 60/40 is far too devisive, and we know the SNP would be happy to win a ref with a tiny
majority of 1 and tell half of Scotland to go and get stuffed, the problems that would cause would ruin Scotland for a
very long time indeed. We just cant afford to let that happen.

[technodup]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

we should require a much larger percentage of the population want to change the status quo,
anything less than 60/40 is far too devisive,

Imagine the whining if Westminster imposed that rule on future votes. We'd literally never hear the end of it.

BTW where is this debate she was on? Not that I want to see it but I thought she was sidelined?

[Edinburger]

You might enjoy this read from the BBC on 'Can Nicola Sturgeon deliver Scottish independence'.

[Edinburger]

rossub said:

Edinburger said:

rossub said:

4% of the UK vote and they demand a place on a national TV debate?

They really are utterly, utterly deluded.

They’re the third largest party in Parliament.

Still only 9% of the seats.

Still the third largest party in Parliament.

[Edinburger]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

simoid said:

Dinoboy said:

Let her have her referendum.its the only thing that's going to shut her up.

That’s what we thought the last time.

Exactly.

What the SNP fail to see though is the absolute fact that the majority of Scots (and others) are
totally scunnered listening to them going on and on and on and on about another referendum, however
it might actually be beneficial to the country because as time goes on the people are getting increasingly
pissed off listening to them to the point I am starting to hear some seriously angry people.

I think also the brexit scenario is showing that referendums are the cause of so much chaos and division
that it will now also massively affect how people would vote if they were subjected to another one, people would
now be even more cautious.

I think after witnessing the chaos caused by the brexit referendum we really need to change the rules
on referendums for such profound issues as independence.
For that we should require a much larger percentage of the population want to change the status quo,
anything less than 60/40 is far too devisive, and we know the SNP would be happy to win a ref with a tiny
majority of 1 and tell half of Scotland to go and get stuffed, the problems that would cause would ruin Scotland for a
very long time indeed. We just cant afford to let that happen.

You mean the way Scotland voted 62% / 38% in the Brexit referendum?

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

we should require a much larger percentage of the population want to change the status quo,
anything less than 60/40 is far too devisive,

Imagine the whining if Westminster imposed that rule on future votes. We'd literally never hear the end of it.

BTW where is this debate she was on? Not that I want to see it but I thought she was sidelined?

Is there any precedent for that?

[AstonZagato]

I'm finding some of their stock phases very grating.

"We've been very, very clear on this" = we haven't got the first idea and have fudged our answers completely. When questioned, repeat the fudge and pretend that this is clear.
"Scotland's voice isn't being heard" = we have consistently ignored Scotland's voice when it doesn't suit us.

That said, all political parties are doing the same. Meaningless soundbites and pretending they have been "very clear" on an issue when they have done the opposite.

[warch]

Edinburger said:

You mean the way Scotland voted 62% / 38% in the Brexit referendum?

Or London? 60%/40%

[rossub]

Edinburger said:

You might enjoy this read from the BBC on 'Can Nicola Sturgeon deliver Scottish independence'.

So it's all based on Maggie Thatcher's policies from 35 years ago.

Move the fk on.

[Evercross]

warch said:

Edinburger said:

You mean the way Scotland voted 62% / 38% in the Brexit referendum?

Or London? 60%/40%

Or Manchester? Same split as London.

But to quote a 'burger trope, we've done this to death. The UK voted, not the regions.