Will May Pay or Hope it Fades Away? £55b exit bill...
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jsf said:
///ajd said:
You guys are so desperate for us taking our money away to hurt the EU.
Either that or dying for Italy to upset the Euro.
How do you figure that one out?Either that or dying for Italy to upset the Euro.
Do you not like facts?
Slasher, have you heard the latest? He was on Radio 4 earlier.
The biggest ally of all Remoaners is going to help you reverse Brexit.
Your friend, the friend of all Remoaners, the man with blood on his hands.
So glad. So very, very glad, he is not on 'my side'.
You are SO welcome to him!
I think if he was on 'my side', I'd change sides without hesitation nor needing to think!
Tells you everything about the EU in one instant.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tony-blair-c...
The biggest ally of all Remoaners is going to help you reverse Brexit.
Your friend, the friend of all Remoaners, the man with blood on his hands.
So glad. So very, very glad, he is not on 'my side'.
You are SO welcome to him!
I think if he was on 'my side', I'd change sides without hesitation nor needing to think!
Tells you everything about the EU in one instant.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tony-blair-c...
///ajd said:
jsf said:
How do you figure that one out?
Do you not like facts?
The schadenfraude is palpable, is it not?Do you not like facts?
What facts are they - in relation to Italy making the Euro collapse next year? Is that a fact is it jsf?
Oh look, someone calling me a liar. I'm not upset - see earlier post.
The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
jsf said:
The potential for it to do so is a fact. Unfortunately i don't have a time machine to tell you how it pans out yet.
The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
Ah, so potential Euro collapse is now a fact. OK. The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
This does mean the potential for many banks to move 10,000s of jobs to the EU is a fact too on that basis.
The figures are what they are - its the relish with which some are desparate for the EU to suffer as our funds are withdrawn that is so evident; its mean spirited, negative and well, it sums up the brexit mentality of several on here. Destroy and damage!
///ajd said:
jsf said:
The potential for it to do so is a fact. Unfortunately i don't have a time machine to tell you how it pans out yet.
The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
Ah, so potential Euro collapse is now a fact. OK. The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
This does mean the potential for many banks to move 10,000s of jobs to the EU is a fact too on that basis.
The figures are what they are - its the relish with which some are desparate for the EU to suffer as our funds are withdrawn that is so evident; its mean spirited, negative and well, it sums up the brexit mentality of several on here. Destroy and damage!
Kettle
Black
Robertj21a said:
///ajd said:
jsf said:
The potential for it to do so is a fact. Unfortunately i don't have a time machine to tell you how it pans out yet.
The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
Ah, so potential Euro collapse is now a fact. OK. The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
This does mean the potential for many banks to move 10,000s of jobs to the EU is a fact too on that basis.
The figures are what they are - its the relish with which some are desparate for the EU to suffer as our funds are withdrawn that is so evident; its mean spirited, negative and well, it sums up the brexit mentality of several on here. Destroy and damage!
Kettle
Black
He's spent hours on here over the last 48 hrs (like he does religiously every wk/end) slavishly posting to try and get people to change their minds and opinions on Brexit.
I feel sorry for the Guy, clearly nothing else going on in his life, his one and only pastime is PH and Brexit, and he thinks posting on an obscure (to Joe Public) car forum is going to make the slightest difference or influence anything.
///ajd would do better posting on Mumsnet or preaching at Hyde Park Corner.
Sad, sad life!
///ajd said:
jsf said:
The potential for it to do so is a fact. Unfortunately i don't have a time machine to tell you how it pans out yet.
The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
Ah, so potential Euro collapse is now a fact. OK. The facts on the GNI and money levels of payments i posted just a little earlier, don't you believe the EU's own figures?
This does mean the potential for many banks to move 10,000s of jobs to the EU is a fact too on that basis.
The figures are what they are - its the relish with which some are desparate for the EU to suffer as our funds are withdrawn that is so evident; its mean spirited, negative and well, it sums up the brexit mentality of several on here. Destroy and damage!
///ajd said:
The figures are what they are - its the relish with which some are desparate for the EU to suffer as our funds are withdrawn that is so evident; its mean spirited, negative and well, it sums up the brexit mentality of several on here. Destroy and damage!
I thought toomany2cvs was saying that our contribution amounted to nothing?Personally I see no reason for either side to be destroyed or damaged by Brexit. However, at this stage in the negotiations, we're not going to get a clear picture for months. There's nothing worse than uncertainty and lack of information to make people feel things are going badly, but give it time and I suspect a sound compromise will emerge.
Jockman said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Let's put the drop in payments into perspective, shall we?
EU budget for 2016 was €155bn.
UK net contribution - after rebate and expenditure - was about €8.6bn in 2016.
So that's about 5.5% of the total expenditure...
Why was the divorce bill a priority for the EU?EU budget for 2016 was €155bn.
UK net contribution - after rebate and expenditure - was about €8.6bn in 2016.
So that's about 5.5% of the total expenditure...
Also if you have an obvious advantage, you set the schedule.
TooMany2cvs said:
That's looking at net - so the payments in less the expenditure.
I'm talking about the payments in. The only difference between that and the £350m figure is that I've remembered the rebate's existence.
I'm sure the Poles would feel all warm and fuzzy about the figures you're noting if they were told that as a result of the UK leaving they would no longer be a net recipient.I'm talking about the payments in. The only difference between that and the £350m figure is that I've remembered the rebate's existence.
Or the same for the Dutch and French if they were told their net contributions were doubling.
Your "%age of" figures are utterly irrelevant if the nations involved cannot make up the absolute figures.
Could the EU adjust its budget. Of course it could. But that means someone receiving less kickbacks (sorry, "investment") and so amounts to the same things... And what do people tend to do when clubs offer less in return for membership?
"Small" as the numbers may seem, they are a huge political problem for the EU leadership. This is the only reason they are banging the drum so hard about what we will pay them. If the money was not a problem, why would they give a hoot? It has nothing to do with what's "right"... If it was they'd be able to list those items with more assurity.
Tuna said:
I thought toomany2cvs was saying that our contribution amounted to nothing?
Which bit of what I said gave you that impression...?Tuna said:
Personally I see no reason for either side to be destroyed or damaged by Brexit.
I don't see how it can fail to be a seriously negative factor in our short-to-medium term economic outlook. We're turning our back on the single most wide-ranging free trade deal with the world's biggest economic group, our nearest neighbours.For all the "Take back control", British industry will still have to stay in lock-step with European standards and norms if we're going to trade with them - the UK just won't get any say in defining them, unlike now. And we'll lose the marketing advantage in the EU of being a "home" purchase.
TooMany2cvs said:
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For all the "Take back control", British industry will still have to stay in lock-step with European standards and norms if we're going to trade with them - the UK just won't get any say in defining them, unlike now. And we'll lose the marketing advantage in the EU of being a "home" purchase.
We have to do that for any market product is produced for. Including our own. And apart from our own we get no say in the standards there either. And yet the majority of our exports go outside of the EU... For all the "Take back control", British industry will still have to stay in lock-step with European standards and norms if we're going to trade with them - the UK just won't get any say in defining them, unlike now. And we'll lose the marketing advantage in the EU of being a "home" purchase.
I wonder how much a "home purchase" advantage being in the EU really is (other than fiscally, potentially. If protected by tariff barriers
)... Does "made in the EU" really resonate? I didn't think EU proponents believed such nationalistic style tendencies were helpful. Murph7355 said:
We have to do that for any market product is produced for. Including our own. And apart from our own we get no say in the standards there either. And yet the majority of our exports go outside of the EU...
Export: 55% goes to Europe, 50% to EU nations.https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/...
Import: 60% comes from Europe, almost entirely EU.
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/...
Edited by DeltonaS on Monday 4th December 10:51
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