Will May Pay or Hope it Fades Away? £55b exit bill...
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Funkycoldribena said:
mx5nut said:
Anyone would think they were the stronger player in the game or something.
Shouldn't be a game.Thought the EU was about peace and harmony blah,blah,blah..?
powerstroke said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
powerstroke said:
YES they did and telling Cameron to go f
k himself was the last straw..
k himself was the last straw.. Oh you poor victim, my heart bleeds for you.
the way the EU behaves is the reason I and many others Voted to Leave ....
powerstroke said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
powerstroke said:
As its plainly obvious the EU want war with us , the simple fact we were once a key stone
in their grubby little empire now its messy divorce and the more spiteful they can be the better as they see it .. so Ireland its citizens and the people of the UK along with EU nationals are now pawns ......
Except the EU didn't ask for this problem. It was forced on them by the UK.in their grubby little empire now its messy divorce and the more spiteful they can be the better as they see it .. so Ireland its citizens and the people of the UK along with EU nationals are now pawns ......
k himself was the last straw.. PurpleMoonlight said:
You mean we couldn't bully them into giving us what we wanted.
At the time it wasn't a 'them' and 'us'. We were a fully paid up member of a club that was supposed to represent our interests. As a club, they showed they were either unable or unwilling to represent us in a way that would work for us in the future. Our only options were to change our expectations of membership, or leave.dazwalsh said:
There is no simple approach to the NI border, a hard border is out of the question although London and Brussels have different approaches.
From what I gather the EU want NI to remain in the customs union but all that does is create a border between NI and the UK, that only solves the NI-ROI problem so the UK is against this.
The UK wants a virtual border, using technology to track trade in and out, number plate recognition meaning no truck stops etc and would be a good all round approach but the EU, especially ROI have ruled that out, in a toys out of the pram- I want option A type rejection.
So back to square one.
If we could agree a trade deal for the whole of the UK it would also help the border issue but no, the EU won't discuss things in tandem so here we are with the same st dragging on unnecessarily whilst the clock ticks away.
Hopefully May grows a pair and goes "right then you cantankerous old bds, here's your 50 billion but I want a free trade agreement in return. And the stagnant UK awaiting clarity can then crack on doing business again.
You are missing the point. A FTA does not eliminate the need for a customs border it just reduced the complexity.From what I gather the EU want NI to remain in the customs union but all that does is create a border between NI and the UK, that only solves the NI-ROI problem so the UK is against this.
The UK wants a virtual border, using technology to track trade in and out, number plate recognition meaning no truck stops etc and would be a good all round approach but the EU, especially ROI have ruled that out, in a toys out of the pram- I want option A type rejection.
So back to square one.
If we could agree a trade deal for the whole of the UK it would also help the border issue but no, the EU won't discuss things in tandem so here we are with the same s
t dragging on unnecessarily whilst the clock ticks away.Hopefully May grows a pair and goes "right then you cantankerous old b
ds, here's your 50 billion but I want a free trade agreement in return. And the stagnant UK awaiting clarity can then crack on doing business again.Eddie Strohacker said:
powerstroke said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
powerstroke said:
As its plainly obvious the EU want war with us , the simple fact we were once a key stone
in their grubby little empire now its messy divorce and the more spiteful they can be the better as they see it .. so Ireland its citizens and the people of the UK along with EU nationals are now pawns ......
Except the EU didn't ask for this problem. It was forced on them by the UK.in their grubby little empire now its messy divorce and the more spiteful they can be the better as they see it .. so Ireland its citizens and the people of the UK along with EU nationals are now pawns ......
k himself was the last straw.. Do you never tire of being in denial of facts?, and relentlessly fighting forum wars that you are not going to win?, not today and not ever, you really need it loud and clear... The Brexit vote didn't go the way you wanted, you LOST, we are leaving the EU, get over it.
You will keep bleating away on here day after day after day and every single post will be forgotten about within a few hours (yep,just like this one ), well, what a frickin pointless way to spend your days.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Sway said:
As you've had explained several times, despite your emotion overriding your ability to rationalise it - it is impossible to resolve the NI border issue fully until the future trading relationship has been defined...
We are not going to be in the single market, we are not going to be in the customs union, we are not going to permit free movement of people. How is the future trade agreement going to solve the Ni problem?Mrr T said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Sway said:
As you've had explained several times, despite your emotion overriding your ability to rationalise it - it is impossible to resolve the NI border issue fully until the future trading relationship has been defined...
We are not going to be in the single market, we are not going to be in the customs union, we are not going to permit free movement of people. How is the future trade agreement going to solve the Ni problem?
lenny007 said:
If anyone is expecting the EU to budge one inch on this then they are sorely mistaken.
Take some time to read "Adults in the Room" to see what negotiating with the EU is like. There will be no movement from them at all whilst simultaneously briefing that the UK is holding up the "negotiations" due to asking for basic things like, you know, an itemised bill for the charge.
There are only two ways in which these negotiations will progress;
1. We pay them whatever they want, no questions asked. And then repeat the process on the next stage. And the next...
2. We walk away from the table until some form of movement on the EU's behalf is enacted.
Forgetting about the trade for a moment, the EU will be losing between 12% (post rebate) of it's annual funding once we leave - it is this which it is trying to get us to pay for.
Give us £20bn and we can survive unchanged for a period of x. £50bn means 2.5 x, £100bn mean, etc, etc.
Kick the problem into the long grass and get the UK to pay for it.
Oh, and to try and equate the £3bn for Brexit preparations with the £2.8bn additional funding for the NHS is pretty weak.
A whole 12%, how will they ever survive?! In actual money terms we cut, as one country, way more per year for austerity last time I checked and we're basically still here and functioning. While the loss of £8.5Bn or so will be annoying to the EU, I'm sure they'll find some way to split it or cut back spending a little between the twenty seven of themTake some time to read "Adults in the Room" to see what negotiating with the EU is like. There will be no movement from them at all whilst simultaneously briefing that the UK is holding up the "negotiations" due to asking for basic things like, you know, an itemised bill for the charge.
There are only two ways in which these negotiations will progress;
1. We pay them whatever they want, no questions asked. And then repeat the process on the next stage. And the next...
2. We walk away from the table until some form of movement on the EU's behalf is enacted.
Forgetting about the trade for a moment, the EU will be losing between 12% (post rebate) of it's annual funding once we leave - it is this which it is trying to get us to pay for.
Give us £20bn and we can survive unchanged for a period of x. £50bn means 2.5 x, £100bn mean, etc, etc.
Kick the problem into the long grass and get the UK to pay for it.
Oh, and to try and equate the £3bn for Brexit preparations with the £2.8bn additional funding for the NHS is pretty weak.
Mario149 said:
A whole 12%, how will they ever survive?! In actual money terms we cut, as one country, way more per year for austerity last time I checked and we're basically still here and functioning. While the loss of £8.5Bn or so will be annoying to the EU, I'm sure they'll find some way to split it or cut back spending a little between the twenty seven of them
but they cant - the EU wont and cant cut the spending and its not all 27 contributing is about 6 that are net contributors of which the UK is the 2nd largest.Mrr T said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Sway said:
As you've had explained several times, despite your emotion overriding your ability to rationalise it - it is impossible to resolve the NI border issue fully until the future trading relationship has been defined...
We are not going to be in the single market, we are not going to be in the customs union, we are not going to permit free movement of people. How is the future trade agreement going to solve the Ni problem?As May got duped £1bn by Northern Ireland, I fear she will not put up much resistance against the EU.
No matter how desperate for money the EU may be, theyre much stronger than NI and they’ve seen how easy it is to get cash out of her. Hopefully she’s not that weak but I don’t have much hope with her.
No matter how desperate for money the EU may be, theyre much stronger than NI and they’ve seen how easy it is to get cash out of her. Hopefully she’s not that weak but I don’t have much hope with her.
Mario149 said:
A whole 12%, how will they ever survive?! In actual money terms we cut, as one country, way more per year for austerity last time I checked and we're basically still here and functioning. While the loss of £8.5Bn or so will be annoying to the EU, I'm sure they'll find some way to split it or cut back spending a little between the twenty seven of them
Split it? There's only a handful of countries pay; it'll basically be down to Germany and one or two others. And it won't be that easy once their exports to the UK are hit, as they will be without a trade agreement.
As for cutting back, I have to assume that's a joke. If they were prepared to cut back, it would have been done years ago. On the contrary, there are plans to spend a lot more.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Sway said:
Thanks for informing me of my reason to vote.
dro said:
said: you LOST, we are leaving the EU, get over it.
Palpable sense of defensiveness emerging in leaver rhetoric. Gone from amazing to it's happening. Sense of error can't be easily reconciled with ego.For someone who repeatedly complains about the standard of debate around brexit, you do a fine job of practicing all the things you complain about. I don't call people names on here, but if I did the word that springs to mind is hypocrite.
Again. please stop using deflection. Please provide a solution to the N.I issue.
Once you have then brexit can proceed, come on there must be a solution for all party's ?
If you can't provide one then what about N.I stay in C.U & S.M ? Another U turn by May that would actually be acceptable by leave and remain teams ? As alternative is....
Once you have then brexit can proceed, come on there must be a solution for all party's ?
If you can't provide one then what about N.I stay in C.U & S.M ? Another U turn by May that would actually be acceptable by leave and remain teams ? As alternative is....
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