Snap General Election?
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dimots said:
I am suggesting that in an endogenous economy that is fast losing its relevance in global terms we have been left with no out from our debt. The Tories claim to know what they're doing, but they can't know....it's a con...there is no economic certainty.
Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
That really is little englander think. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK has no external influences on its economy and can just set up its own 'bubble' to exist in, detach itself from the rules that exist in the wider world and then do what it likes?Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
Garvin said:
dimots said:
I am suggesting that in an endogenous economy that is fast losing its relevance in global terms we have been left with no out from our debt. The Tories claim to know what they're doing, but they can't know....it's a con...there is no economic certainty.
Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
That really is little englander think. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK has no external influences on its economy and can just set up its own 'bubble' to exist in, detach itself from the rules that exist in the wider world and then do what it likes?Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
Sit tight, look inwards and get our affairs in order until the big changes that are happening have played out.
Trump and the USA are taking the same approach. Tactical withdrawal from globalism, to be followed by a period of renegotiation.
Can you really see any other option that isn't a long drawn out grind to eventual failure?
Einion Yrth said:
B'stard Child said:
PoleDriver said:
JawKnee said:
Serious question for PHers. Do you really think the Tories won't raise taxes?
Why would they penalise working people when they can raise more money by cutting benefits for the work-shy?I read the anecdote about the scrounging family member that was put down to envy and laughed off. It's a valid question though. When you see your brother in law do you in anyway envy his lifestyle? I would imagine not. He may have sky tv etc, but it must be a pretty miserable existence.
I know people that live in council accommodation and get various benefits, but they work, have kids and raise them in a decent fashion, you know add to society. I choose to believe this is how the majority of people on such benefits are. To punish one feckless drug dealer you will punish a hundred decent folk. Sometimes they talk about the new car they are getting (a Nissan note, second hand) or about the holidays they are planning and for a split second think "that's my taxes paying for that", but then realise that with either a few different decisions or change of luck it could be me in the same situation.
We all recieve benefits from the state in one way or another. If we proceed down the route of cutting them it's only a matter of time before it catches up to us.
dimots said:
Garvin said:
dimots said:
I am suggesting that in an endogenous economy that is fast losing its relevance in global terms we have been left with no out from our debt. The Tories claim to know what they're doing, but they can't know....it's a con...there is no economic certainty.
Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
That really is little englander think. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK has no external influences on its economy and can just set up its own 'bubble' to exist in, detach itself from the rules that exist in the wider world and then do what it likes?Let's focus on making the country we want...not on economics that are largely irrelevant.
Sit tight, look inwards and get our affairs in order until the big changes that are happening have played out.
Trump and the USA are taking the same approach. Tactical withdrawal from globalism, to be followed by a period of renegotiation.
Can you really see any other option that isn't a long drawn out grind to eventual failure?
Jazzy Jag said:
Garvin said:
Why doesn't Greece just withdraw from the EU and Euro and do it then?
I suspect that the EU would insist that all the Greek debt be repaid on leaving, which Greece is never going to be able to do.Hotel California....
Many Greeks would love to go back to pre 2001 and return to the drachma.
Sadly, as Jazzy Jag says the Greeks are EU programmed to receive.
Of course, they can check out any time they like... but they can never leave!
And just over the sea there are a growing number of French who also would love a return to the Franc.
Perhaps all hope is not lost?
AMG Merc said:
Smollet said:
AMG Merc said:
Well put. It would also help, although seems impossible to do so, to address people who take but have not given to the NHS, the obese, smokers and drinkers.
The tax revenue paid by smokers and drinkers more than covers their cost to the NHS dandarez said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Garvin said:
Why doesn't Greece just withdraw from the EU and Euro and do it then?
I suspect that the EU would insist that all the Greek debt be repaid on leaving, which Greece is never going to be able to do.Hotel California....
Many Greeks would love to go back to pre 2001 and return to the drachma.
Sadly, as Jazzy Jag says the Greeks are EU programmed to receive.
Of course, they can check out any time they like... but they can never leave!
And just over the sea there are a growing number of French who also would love a return to the Franc.
Perhaps all hope is not lost?
B'stard Child said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
B'stard Child said:
I never have regrets in life........... Apart from shacking up with Mrs BC - but that's like a cold you can't get rid of it unless you give it to someone else
Classic! I wonder if JawKnee has a Mrs JK?
Mr BC is strong labour and very anti May - it kinda fits with my opposites attract
You reckon Mrs JK is a May Fan
nyxster said:
kurt535 said:
Calm down. deep breath. What's your day job?
I'm just making a point. Watch any discussion with special snowflakes (see the Harvard Shrieking girl video as an example) and this is exactly the sort of hysterical tantrum you get when you trigger them.If you or i do it then it looks ridiculous, young millenial political activist do it she gets hired by the Guardian.
Jazzy Jag said:
I suspect that the EU would insist that all the Greek debt be repaid on leaving, which Greece is never going to be able to do.
Hotel California....
Greece could, of course, just default. The EU, or more specifically Germany and France are desperate for them not to do this as then it becomes official that billions of tax payer's money has just gone down the drain and will never been seen again.Hotel California....
This is the card Greece tried to play a couple of years back but they blinked first.
kurt535 said:
nyxster said:
kurt535 said:
Calm down. deep breath. What's your day job?
I'm just making a point. Watch any discussion with special snowflakes (see the Harvard Shrieking girl video as an example) and this is exactly the sort of hysterical tantrum you get when you trigger them.If you or i do it then it looks ridiculous, young millenial political activist do it she gets hired by the Guardian.
http://www.snopes.com/snowflake-nazi-term-holocaus...
kurt535 said:
Really dislike the term snowflake whatever your political view point due to its association with the death camp crematoriums.
Given that you have gone out of your way to link two totally unrelated issues, linking the term Snowflakes in this context to another context that I was completely unaware of until you raised it and given that your "dislike" stops just short of being "offended by" is there the slightest chance that you might be.. well, are, a Snowflake?Top marks for bringing the Holocaust and by default, Nazis into the debate. Almost Godwin's Law.
Troubleatmill said:
Germany has applied a lot of pressure on Greece to commit to buying German military products.
15% of all of German made military products is sold to Greece.
In short.... you want bailing out.... you have to keep buying our weapons.
It's worse than this though. Germany is all for and is the major driving force behind the Framework Nations Concept, a sort of European mini-NATO. It is 'selling' this as a rebalancing of the transatlantic burden of defence but really sees it as a way of increasing its market for defence related products. Pretty much the same way the US views NATO (a reason why the US has 'endured' the NATO imbalance for so long).15% of all of German made military products is sold to Greece.
In short.... you want bailing out.... you have to keep buying our weapons.
zygalski said:
Can't we have a referendum on whether we should have an early general election? Seems a bit presumptuous of May to assume it's what the general public desire.
Yes, good idea but, for efficiency, we could also combine the two and just use the output of the referendum to appoint a government. All names of party leaders on the voting paper and you just mark who should be PM. Parliament seats then divi'd up to each party in line with % of votes cast and, voila, proportional representation at a stroke. No need for constituencies so no more boundary squabbles and let local county councils get on and do the job they are elected to do. Global representation by MPs so you choose the one you want any dialogue with no matter where they reside.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff