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anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Johnnytheboy said:
sidicks said:
Johnnytheboy said:
rofl

Apart from such modesty, you'll be claiming to be less verbose than anyone else on PH next.
Prepare yourself for a page long anecdote that 'proves' his point!
EFA.
laugh

I'm only surprised he hasn't been plugging his 'amazon 4* rated book' in amongst the page long diatribe

MiniMan64

16,929 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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For all it's being scoffed at here I can see the new holidays thing going down very well with the general public...

D-Angle

4,467 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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footnote said:
It's a familiar refrain, the 'people' spoke in the last general election but obviously Theresa May is not happy with what they had to say...

Will she keep having referendums... sorry..., calling general elections until she gets the result she wants? wink


Seriously though, if she got five years with not as big a majority as she wants - could she go again in another year?
When the last general election was held, we had a different prime minister. I know people vote for an MP not a PM but it has a big influence on how people vote, so it was right to have one for reasons other than Brexit. There seems to be a lot of crossover between people who criticised her for not calling an election as soon as she had the job, and people who are claiming gerrymandering now that she has called one, so making those people look silly doesn't hurt either.

I would put money on the next election after this one being in 2022.

Oakey

27,576 posts

216 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Yipper said:
Tory odds at the bookies have strengthened in the past week from 1/14 to 1/25.

Some 52% of all bets today were placed on the Tories to win.

Provided Mother Theresa makes no major screwups, it is going to be a big Conservative victory.
With those odds what would you win?

Garvin

5,171 posts

177 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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footnote said:
It's a familiar refrain, the 'people' spoke in the last general election but obviously Theresa May is not happy with what they had to say...

Will she keep having referendums... sorry..., calling general elections until she gets the result she wants? wink


Seriously though, if she got five years with not as big a majority as she wants - could she go again in another year?
She could try but she would have to get another vote through Parliament to do so. She was able to now because of all the criticism from all sides on the Brexit issue meant they had little option but to say yes. There is no guarantee that another vote will be successful as other parties may want more time to get their, currently, rather rag tag organisations in better order before another GE.

KingNothing

3,168 posts

153 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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I luckily get my annual holiday entitlement PLUS bank holidays off, feel sorry for the people who have them included in their entitlement if this happens, they'll lose 4 days of chosen holidays in exchange for set bank holidays.

andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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footnote said:
It's a familiar refrain, the 'people' spoke in the last general election but obviously Theresa May is not happy with what they had to say...

Will she keep having referendums... sorry..., calling general elections until she gets the result she wants? wink


Seriously though, if she got five years with not as big a majority as she wants - could she go again in another year?
She didn't call an election, she asked parliament if she could have one and they agreed.

WestyCarl

3,257 posts

125 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Derek Smith said:
That's a reason for having a GE at some time. This one has been described as 'snap', and not only by the OP.

This is a risk. There have been PMs before who have decided they've got it cracked, and things have not turned out the way they expected. Heath had all the polls in his favour, although not as great a lead as May has. However, this is being presented almost as a vote of confidence by May. She needs to get a considerable increase in numbers for it to be seen as a victory for her.

The polls might be spot on, or they might even underestimate her lead. I don't know but the point is, neither does she.

Lots of MPs have suggested that things can change in politics at short notice. The only voters that are important are the floating voters. We don't know what might be in the news tomorrow that might affect their point of view. A week, or two weeks according to some, is a long time in politics. We've got a lot more than two to get through.

If May does not get a substantially increased majority it will hurt her. If we get a minority government at the time when the most important negotiations are taking place, it will hurt everyone.

I'm not happy with risk taking. If you are right and it is because she looks to be PM beyond 2020 then that's a condemnation of the woman. She should be thinking of what's best for the UK at this time.

I don't believe this was a last minute decision but very carefully timed.

The only risk is she doesn't get an increased majority, but I suspect given the polls that is a remote chance. I'd also guess the Tories have a filling cabinet full of dirt on Jezza that will be slowly released over the next 6 weeks (notice how gentle they've been on him over the last 6 months...)

An increased majority will strengthen her hand in negotiating with the EU and at home in Parliment, it also pushes the next GE 3 years after the Brexit thus reducing any negative effect for her.

If the polls are correct and she gets a majority of +140 then it could put labour out of power for the next few parliaments.

Given the piss poor state of the opposition it's an obvious decision, personally I'm not in favor as I don't believe any government with a large majority is good for the UK.



PurpleAki

1,601 posts

87 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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98elise said:
pingu393 said:
speedy_thrills said:
gothatway said:
It used to be the case that the UK was one of the few countries which moved public holidays so they fell during the working week, so if for example May 1st fell on a Sunday, workers in other countries would not benefit. Don't know whether that's still the case.
New Zealand did that recently and Mondayised holidays. Made absolutely no difference to the economy, it turns out GDP isn't strongly tied to the number of hours worked. When you give people an extra day off they just become more productive that week.

What Labor are proposing is quite clever because people will do just as much work but think they are getting something for "free." Classic electioneering!
Having worked in an office for 20 years, I would agree with you. You can do more paper shuffling to make up for the day off, but...

Outside of an office, though, you can't lay 1250 bricks a day for four days instead of 1000 bricks a day, or drive 625 miles per day instead of 500. And if you pay double rates, either the bricky doesn't get the holiday or the house costs more.

Instant 2% increase on the UK wage bill for 0% productivity increase.
Agreed.

Shops will still open, stuff needs to be delivered etc. Many businesses are directly affected by the number of working days. I'm paid by the day so 4 days extra holiday means I lose 4 days pay, same for my wife.

My work does not disappear because I'm not at work, deadlines remain fixed and I need to work to those deadlines, even if that means working overtime (unpaid).

Obviously extra holidays DO affect the economy, if that wasn't the case then Corbyn could announce a 2 day working week and the economy would be just fine. Its just that 4 days would not be noticable to the average person, they would get a day off but costs would go up. One way or another you are paying for those holidays.

Edited to add....a quick search on the web indicates about 2bn per public holiday.


Edited by 98elise on Sunday 23 April 08:12
I've a friend who is a courier. 4 day weeks are a pain in the arse in his business. Still 5 days worth of parcels to deliver but you've only got 4 days to do it. Many drivers have to work Saturday and/or Sunday so they don't have a back log on their route for the rest of the next week.


Edited by PurpleAki on Sunday 23 April 09:04

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

87 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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bmw535i said:
Johnnytheboy said:
sidicks said:
Johnnytheboy said:
rofl

Apart from such modesty, you'll be claiming to be less verbose than anyone else on PH next.
Prepare yourself for a page long anecdote that 'proves' his point!
EFA.
laugh

I'm only surprised he hasn't been plugging his 'amazon 4* rated book' in amongst the page long diatribe
Whatever the subject matter Derek will have personal experience of it and a (page long) story to tell.



Derek Smith

45,664 posts

248 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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PurpleAki said:
bmw535i said:
Johnnytheboy said:
sidicks said:
Johnnytheboy said:
rofl

Apart from such modesty, you'll be claiming to be less verbose than anyone else on PH next.
Prepare yourself for a page long anecdote that 'proves' his point!
EFA.
laugh

I'm only surprised he hasn't been plugging his 'amazon 4* rated book' in amongst the page long diatribe
Whatever the subject matter Derek will have personal experience of it and a (page long) story to tell.
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?

And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.

Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?





sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Derek Smith said:
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?

And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.

Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
Reliable 'evidence' isn't an anecdote about a bloke you once met 20 years ago (or similar).

To get the best deal out of the Brexit negotiations, May needs the strongest hand possible and that means not being at risk of constantly being criticised and undermined by the other parties at every possible turn over the next couple of years.

An election now could achieve exactly that, which is exactly the reason why it has been called.

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Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 April 09:15

don'tbesilly

13,933 posts

163 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Derek Smith said:
PurpleAki said:
bmw535i said:
Johnnytheboy said:
sidicks said:
Johnnytheboy said:
rofl

Apart from such modesty, you'll be claiming to be less verbose than anyone else on PH next.
Prepare yourself for a page long anecdote that 'proves' his point!
EFA.
laugh

I'm only surprised he hasn't been plugging his 'amazon 4* rated book' in amongst the page long diatribe
Whatever the subject matter Derek will have personal experience of it and a (page long) story to tell.
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?

And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.

Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
Why did you remove your last response Derek?

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

87 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Derek Smith said:
PurpleAki said:
bmw535i said:
Johnnytheboy said:
sidicks said:
Johnnytheboy said:
rofl

Apart from such modesty, you'll be claiming to be less verbose than anyone else on PH next.
Prepare yourself for a page long anecdote that 'proves' his point!
EFA.
laugh

I'm only surprised he hasn't been plugging his 'amazon 4* rated book' in amongst the page long diatribe
Whatever the subject matter Derek will have personal experience of it and a (page long) story to tell.
So you think ad hominem attacks is more to the point? How about addressing the points raised?

And there's me thinking that this is a serious thread.

Jesus, what's the point of thinking logically and looking for evidence when one can destroy any arguments by complaining that someone goes over 140 characters?
I seem to have touched a nerve. Was just an observation.

For clarity, are you denying that you very often respond to threads with long winded posts about your personal experiences?




AMG Merc

11,954 posts

253 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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The Hypno-Toad said:
And with the Labour Party's core membership these days where would the excuses to have a day off end?
LGBT day?
Marx day?
Chairman Mao day
Benn day?

Never going to happen. (For St Georges day anyway.)
National Petrolhead Day? laugh

...or is this every day.

confused_buyer

6,619 posts

181 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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rover 623gsi said:
Lib Dems got 7.9% of the vote in 2015, so if it went up to 11% surely they would gain some seats?
Against Labour, yes. However if the Tory vote went up 8% then that would be a swing to the Tories in LibDem/Tory marginals and put 4 LibDem seats in danger.


///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Picking on Derek now. Really?

Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.

mx-6

5,983 posts

213 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Falling poll lead for the Conservative's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/To...

It's still early days, let's see some manifestos. There could well be some twists and turns ahead.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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///ajd said:
Picking on Derek now. Really?

Derek often makes interesting posts and it is obvious he has a breadth of experience that makes his views interesting and not just plucked from his bum. Sure some might be anecdotal but they are almost always thought provoking.

The same can't be said about some of his attackers here, whose posts are often content free.
I have to agree. And it's getting a lot worse.

If they have no counter argument they just resort to personal attacks and insults.

zygalski

7,759 posts

145 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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PurpleAki said:
I seem to have touched a nerve. Was just an observation.

For clarity, are you denying that you very often respond to threads with long winded posts about your personal experiences?
Here's an observation. You're a cock.
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