Snap General Election?
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sidicks said:
No, what is in the best interests of this country is to make it easy for those that are required. No blanket guarantees to everyone.
No one has suggested there won't be migration post Brexit.
Many EU nationals have came here with the expectation of continuing freedom of movement, many have made lives here, have homes, families, etc. What you are suggesting is to in effect move the goal posts retrospectively and force some of them to leave. Some won't have settled permanently and will return to their country of origin anyway, regardless of Brexit.No one has suggested there won't be migration post Brexit.
I'm not aware of anyone saying there won't be imigration post Brexit, but there is an expectation amonst some that it will be significantly reduced, maybe to under 100k or less.
Burwood said:
Jockman said:
Yipper said:
Mother Theresa is looking like the best PM since Thatcher.
The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
And the icing on the cake -- looking increasingly likely -- Sturgeon will be forced to resign at some point, after likely losing general election seats plus a second referendum.
The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
And the icing on the cake -- looking increasingly likely -- Sturgeon will be forced to resign at some point, after likely losing general election seats plus a second referendum.
Right person, right place, right time.
Jockman said:
Burwood said:
Jockman said:
Yipper said:
Mother Theresa is looking like the best PM since Thatcher.
The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
And the icing on the cake -- looking increasingly likely -- Sturgeon will be forced to resign at some point, after likely losing general election seats plus a second referendum.
The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
And the icing on the cake -- looking increasingly likely -- Sturgeon will be forced to resign at some point, after likely losing general election seats plus a second referendum.
Right person, right place, right time.
The lack of any mention of Tim Who and the LibDims (great trock band name, carp Partty) is also spot on.
Silverbullet767 said:
P5BNij said:
There's only one word left to describe Labour now - pathetic.
Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
You should try living in Scotland, the SNP and their cronies have been at it for decades!Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
Corbyn said he'd do away with zero hours contracts a few days ago, not sure if it's been mentioned, I can see how it will appeal to some voters but a recent piece on our local news said that a fair number of ZH workers actually like the flexibility it gives them. Typically, Jezza always seems to overlook such details.
P5BNij said:
Silverbullet767 said:
P5BNij said:
There's only one word left to describe Labour now - pathetic.
Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
You should try living in Scotland, the SNP and their cronies have been at it for decades!Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
Corbyn said he'd do away with zero hours contracts a few days ago, not sure if it's been mentioned, I can see how it will appeal to some voters but a recent piece on our local news said that a fair number of ZH workers actually like the flexibility it gives them. Typically, Jezza always seems to overlook such details.
Yipper said:
Mother Theresa is looking like the best PM since Thatcher.
The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
All that is good but......The Tories are on track at the election to:
1. Win overall dozens of extra seats;
2. Crush Labour into oblivion;
3. Crush UKIP;
4. Win several seats from the SNP in Scotland;
5. Win massively any second ScotIndy referendum (60% set to vote no);
6. Thrash Labour in Wales (worst result in a century);
7. Keep the nationalists from majority power in Northern Ireland;
8. Stop any NI independence vote;
9. Strike quick trade deals outside the EU (Australia, etc.);
10. Have a very strong UK negotiating position for soft Brexit (talk of hard Brexit is just bitter Remoaners).
Yipper said:
And the icing on the cake -- looking increasingly likely -- Sturgeon will be forced to resign at some point, after likely losing general election seats plus a second referendum.
I'd settle for reduced a 1-10 just if that actually happened - she really is an annoying minx.mx-6 said:
Many EU nationals have came here with the expectation of continuing freedom of movement, many have made lives here, have homes, families, etc.
They had no guarantees!!mx-6 said:
What you are suggesting is to in effect move the goal posts retrospectively and force some of them to leave.
Not at all. The goalposts are moving going forward - why should they have a right to permanent residence? That was never on offer previously!mx-6 said:
Some won't have settled permanently and will return to their country of origin anyway, regardless of Brexit.
So no reason to guarantee anything for them!mx-6 said:
I'm not aware of anyone saying there won't be imigration post Brexit, but there is an expectation amonst some that it will be significantly reduced, maybe to under 100k or less.
The permitted immigration will be linked to demand, that is the key.P5BNij said:
Silverbullet767 said:
P5BNij said:
There's only one word left to describe Labour now - pathetic.
Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
You should try living in Scotland, the SNP and their cronies have been at it for decades!Whenever I try to point out Labour's deficiencies to my mostly hard left work colleagues, I'm just met with a tirade of anti-Tory bile. I suppose I should expect nothing less, but it's quite depressing at times, grown men wailing like student union protesters against anyone with an apposing view!
Corbyn said he'd do away with zero hours contracts a few days ago, not sure if it's been mentioned, I can see how it will appeal to some voters but a recent piece on our local news said that a fair number of ZH workers actually like the flexibility it gives them. Typically, Jezza always seems to overlook such details.
Research by CIPD demonstrated this clearly.
Research report on ZHC said:
65% of zero-hours workers say they are satisfied with their work–life balance compared with 58% of all employees.
In all, 60% of zero-hours contract workers agree or strongly agree they are satisfied with their job with 19% disagreeing, compared with a survey average of 59% agreeing and 20% disagreeing.
With young Corbyn offering 4 Bank Holidays and uninformed waffle on ZHC, whatever happened to the lefty-liberal shouty howlers who whine about 'populism'...a curious silence has descended.In all, 60% of zero-hours contract workers agree or strongly agree they are satisfied with their job with 19% disagreeing, compared with a survey average of 59% agreeing and 20% disagreeing.
funkyrobot said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
funkyrobot said:
It's so frustrating that nobody, simply nobody at the moment is good enough to provide decent opposition to the Conservatives.
not for me it's not 
sidicks said:
robemcdonald said:
But that is in the best interest of this country.
Without EU migrants a lot of services would just fail.
The Conservatives have even conceded that EU migration would need to carry on after Brexit.
No, what is in the best interests of this country is to make it easy for those that are required. No blanket guarantees to everyone.Without EU migrants a lot of services would just fail.
The Conservatives have even conceded that EU migration would need to carry on after Brexit.
No one has suggested there won't be migration post Brexit.
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 25th April 12:11
Maybe he can get a superior non EU immigrant family.
P5BNij said:
Corbyn said he'd do away with zero hours contracts a few days ago, not sure if it's been mentioned, I can see how it will appeal to some voters but a recent piece on our local news said that a fair number of ZH workers actually like the flexibility it gives them. Typically, Jezza always seems to overlook such details.
The Mrs is at uni and and she simply wouldn't be able to work without zero hours contracts. Works 5 days during the holidays and none when she's at uni. LBC phone in on the subject suggested most people on zero hour contracts are quite happy about it. sidicks said:
mx-6 said:
Many EU nationals have came here with the expectation of continuing freedom of movement, many have made lives here, have homes, families, etc.
They had no guarantees!!mx-6 said:
What you are suggesting is to in effect move the goal posts retrospectively and force some of them to leave.
Not at all. The goalposts are moving going forward - why should they have a right to permanent residence? That was never on offer previously!mx-6 said:
Some won't have settled permanently and will return to their country of origin anyway, regardless of Brexit.
So no reason to guarantee anything for them!mx-6 said:
I'm not aware of anyone saying there won't be imigration post Brexit, but there is an expectation amonst some that it will be significantly reduced, maybe to under 100k or less.
The permitted immigration will be linked to demand, that is the key.sidicks said:
robemcdonald said:
But that is in the best interest of this country.
Without EU migrants a lot of services would just fail.
The Conservatives have even conceded that EU migration would need to carry on after Brexit.
No, what is in the best interests of this country is to make it easy for those that are required. No blanket guarantees to everyone.Without EU migrants a lot of services would just fail.
The Conservatives have even conceded that EU migration would need to carry on after Brexit.
No one has suggested there won't be migration post Brexit.
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 25th April 12:11
I wonder how many people realise the "first preference" (if you like to call it that) has to be given to EU nationals before the UK can recruit from the US, China, Australia, Canada, etc.? The paperwork for WP's etc is f
king horrendous.sidicks said:
robemcdonald said:
If we need EU migrants, but the EU doesn't need UK migrants, why would a reciprocal agreement be in our best interest?
What if the EU throws out ex pats? Do we respond in kind and hamstring ourselves?
The phrase cutting your nose off to spite your face springs to mind.
Why do we need to guarantee anything? Why do we need EU migrants rather than other migrants?What if the EU throws out ex pats? Do we respond in kind and hamstring ourselves?
The phrase cutting your nose off to spite your face springs to mind.
Why can't we just decide who we want to accept and who we don't?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/dis...
Our government has chosen not to implement the rules for some reason (damn Brussels giving us the ability to decide exactly who we allow to stay in our country)
P5BNij said:
Other half has relatives just outside Inverness, they're fairly cocooned from most of it but loath Sturgeon and the SNP
Same scenario here, we have relatives in Wester Ross and they "jist canny bide the wummin" so they keep telling us anyway, but they reckon most of their neighbours are thinking the same.Then you read all the bad mouthing her on here along with all the personal communication I have daily with folk, it really is starting to look like she has shat her own bed.
Oh little Nicola what have you done!.
mx-6 said:
Yes there were no contrete guarantees you are right, but we can say that about anything, any laws.
That's why laws are changed all the time. HTHmx-6 said:
I just don't see any benefit in asking some EU nationals to leave, what do you hope is going to be gained from that?
Well if the ones who are living here are no longer required then itnshoukd be quite obvious what the benefits are!!mx-6 said:
Why discriminate between european and indigenous people once they are living here?
The country is short of money - we can't afford to support our own people / public services etc, the more we spend on immigrants the less we spend on our own people.Again, that should be fairly obvious.
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 25th April 12:57
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