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Eddie Strohacker said:
I think the general consensus was he behaved as a model constituency MP, very popular in Richmond but ran what amounted to a well documented dog whistle racist mayoral campaign against Sadiq Khan & came unstuck as a direct result in the by election which the LD's poured everything into.
Ah yes OK forgot about the London Mayoral election. Must be getting old...... Let's see what happens then.Eddie Strohacker said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
One of the reasons - probably the only reason - why I stopped my Cons Party membership several years ago was a similar thing with Cameron, he just wasn't listening. A few knobs who really just weren't fit for purpose were getting selected for seats.
I'm sure Zac is an OK guy but a useless MP; why would I say that when I don't know him or live in Richmond? Because in my experience a good MP gets re-elected for doing a good job.
Having said all that I do hope he wins Richmond back from the Lib Dums.
I think the general consensus was he behaved as a model constituency MP, very popular in Richmond but ran what amounted to a well documented dog whistle racist mayoral campaign against Sadiq Khan & came unstuck as a direct result in the by election which the LD's poured everything into.I'm sure Zac is an OK guy but a useless MP; why would I say that when I don't know him or live in Richmond? Because in my experience a good MP gets re-elected for doing a good job.
Having said all that I do hope he wins Richmond back from the Lib Dums.
Goldsmith has a good chance of taking Richmond. The LibDems will not be able to chuck their entire national resources into one seat as they will be needed elsewhere and Goldsmith will have the backing of the Conservative party machine this time.
Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
confused_buyer said:
Goldsmith has a good chance of taking Richmond. The LibDems will not be able to chuck their entire national resources into one seat as they will be needed elsewhere and Goldsmith will have the backing of the Conservative party machine this time.
Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
By-elections have low turnout and are a chance for people to "punish" the government. Hence they nearly always go to another party. It's Richmond so Olney might still have a chance but it is *far* from safe. Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
bmw535i said:
El stovey said:
There's not plenty of room for healthy debate in here,.left wing posters regularly get shouted down and insulted all the time. People clearly don't welcome their point of view at all.
You only think they're obsessed because you notice them, their posts stand out as being against the flow.
There are many more tenacious right wing posters that always have to have the last word. That's not obsession though as they're possibly confirming your own views and biases.
I think you'll find its left wing posters who throw the most insults around. You only think they're obsessed because you notice them, their posts stand out as being against the flow.
There are many more tenacious right wing posters that always have to have the last word. That's not obsession though as they're possibly confirming your own views and biases.
The Brexit threads seem to bring out the worst in them. I had one northern builder offering me to drive to Yorkshire to fight him!
Then you upset someone else so much a random person wants to fight you.
Yet it's all those remainders/lefties/liberals/whoever going around causing trouble and insulting people.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th April 09:51
confused_buyer said:
Goldsmith has a good chance of taking Richmond. The LibDems will not be able to chuck their entire national resources into one seat as they will be needed elsewhere and Goldsmith will have the backing of the Conservative party machine this time.
Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
The Lib Dems seem to see the Richmond win as a microcosm of this election as a whole. If polling shows Goldsmith ahead it's going to knock them for six. Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
Justayellowbadge said:
The Lib Dems seem to see the Richmond win as a microcosm of this election as a whole. If polling shows Goldsmith ahead it's going to knock them for six.
They should know better to be frank. By-elections have always been a poor guide to what will happen at a General - people vote differently when they know they are electing a Government.If they lose Richmond, which I think they will, it shouldn't be seen as a disaster for them.
confused_buyer said:
Justayellowbadge said:
The Lib Dems seem to see the Richmond win as a microcosm of this election as a whole. If polling shows Goldsmith ahead it's going to knock them for six.
They should know better to be frank. By-elections have always been a poor guide to what will happen at a General - people vote differently when they know they are electing a Government.If they lose Richmond, which I think they will, it shouldn't be seen as a disaster for them.
There will be as much disappointment as elation for the LibDems after the June vote,
Hitting 11% or 12% would still put them in the same league as UKIP.
hidetheelephants said:
Robertj21a said:
Is there anything to actually stop Tony Blair standing as a candidate at the GE ?
Can you imagine a Labour constituency association nominating him? He has no friends left in central office or on the National Executive to 'parachute' him in.turbobloke said:
confused_buyer said:
Justayellowbadge said:
The Lib Dems seem to see the Richmond win as a microcosm of this election as a whole. If polling shows Goldsmith ahead it's going to knock them for six.
They should know better to be frank. By-elections have always been a poor guide to what will happen at a General - people vote differently when they know they are electing a Government.If they lose Richmond, which I think they will, it shouldn't be seen as a disaster for them.
There will be as much disappointment as elation for the LibDems after the June vote,
Hitting 11% or 12% would still put them in the same league as UKIP.
Their heartlands in the south west aren't going back to them due to the largely leave sentiment so they are banking on gaining seats in areas like SW London where they were close, or sitting,in the past. Richmond very much the model for this and being in Wimbledon I'm already seeing the arguments they are making here, and in neighbouring constituencies such as Twickenham and Sutton. All about preventing a hard brexit.
It's a one trick strategy and I don't think it's enough.
Justayellowbadge said:
turbobloke said:
confused_buyer said:
Justayellowbadge said:
The Lib Dems seem to see the Richmond win as a microcosm of this election as a whole. If polling shows Goldsmith ahead it's going to knock them for six.
They should know better to be frank. By-elections have always been a poor guide to what will happen at a General - people vote differently when they know they are electing a Government.If they lose Richmond, which I think they will, it shouldn't be seen as a disaster for them.
There will be as much disappointment as elation for the LibDems after the June vote,
Hitting 11% or 12% would still put them in the same league as UKIP.
Their heartlands in the south west aren't going back to them due to the largely leave sentiment so they are banking on gaining seats in areas like SW London where they were close, or sitting,in the past. Richmond very much the model for this and being in Wimbledon I'm already seeing the arguments they are making here, and in neighbouring constituencies such as Twickenham and Sutton. All about preventing a hard brexit.
It's a one trick strategy and I don't think it's enough.
El stovey said:
Didn't you get banned from the trump threads?
Then you upset someone else so much a random person wants to fight you.
Yet it's all those remainders/lefties/liberals/whoever going around causing trouble and insulting people.
No I haven't been banned from a trump thread. Then you upset someone else so much a random person wants to fight you.
Yet it's all those remainders/lefties/liberals/whoever going around causing trouble and insulting people.
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 27th April 09:51
If someone gets so upset by someone's opinion they want to travel half the length of the uk to fight someone, I think there is only one party to be laughed at.
I never insulted said person - he got banned from the forum very quickly after making several threats to a few posters. He was a bit weird to be honest, although it was funny.
turbobloke said:
Not forgetting the dour unoriginal insults regularly seen from left field, regardless of rare invitations to fisticuffs.
The thing about PH is that, unlike many alternative non-motoring media, the mods are looking at posting rules rather than ideology. This can at times give an impression there is more leeway given to 'tolerrant forms of expression'
from the Left for the sake of some well-meaning aim for 'balance' gicen there are some posts that are trolling by any other name but remain on threads anyway. Not everyone will appreciate this but it's not our ball and the rules are enforced how mods see fit.
So basically, more insulting angry right wingers get banned and posts removed than left wingers because the mods, despite not being ideologically motivated, do it due to a well meaning attempt to balance the threads? The thing about PH is that, unlike many alternative non-motoring media, the mods are looking at posting rules rather than ideology. This can at times give an impression there is more leeway given to 'tolerrant forms of expression'
from the Left for the sake of some well-meaning aim for 'balance' gicen there are some posts that are trolling by any other name but remain on threads anyway. Not everyone will appreciate this but it's not our ball and the rules are enforced how mods see fit.It's not evidence that right wingers are throwing around insults worthy of a ban though, it somehow shows the lefties are more insulting, even though much less of them ever get banned?
Is it perhaps possible that more right wingers get banned from threads as they're simply being more insulting?
Obviously it's also to do with the underhand lefties being a bit dishonourable and telling tales and trying to control people's freedom and impose political correctness on people all the time.
Turbobloke, if you were a leftie, you'd be known as the biggest lefty, never back downer, have the last worder in the forum. It's just because you're slightly right of the main right wing flow that you don't get insulted all the time by the masses. You're in the in group.
The lefties here aren't even mainly proper lefties. They're just pinkos, most are probably still conservatives or at best floating voters, I wish we did have some proper lefties on here. It wouldn't be much fun though for them with everyone shouting them down all the time and then getting accused of insulting people and wanting the last word.
bmw535i said:
El stovey said:
Didn't you get banned from the trump threads?
Then you upset someone else so much a random person wants to fight you.
Yet it's all those remainders/lefties/liberals/whoever going around causing trouble and insulting people.
No I haven't been banned from a trump thread. Then you upset someone else so much a random person wants to fight you.
Yet it's all those remainders/lefties/liberals/whoever going around causing trouble and insulting people.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th April 09:51
If someone gets so upset by someone's opinion they want to travel half the length of the uk to fight someone, I think there is only one party to be laughed at.
I never insulted said person - he got banned from the forum very quickly after making several threats to a few posters. He was a bit weird to be honest, although it was funny.
turbobloke said:
Nor do I, and it's the perception of a one-trick-pony that keeps UKIP from making further inroads, copying that fail will lead to...the same thing. Both Parties at around 10%-12% in June wouldn't surprise me.
I think UKIP will get less than that and I suspect a big chunk of their vote will go directly to the Conservatives. This will put a big damper on the LibDems in many of their target seats as there are large UKIP votes in a lot of them looking for a home.I wouldn't be surprised if the LibDems pick up some seats in London (Vince Cable stands a good chance IMO) but I think they'll lose Richmond and might struggle to hold seats in places like Southport where they have a 1300 majority over the Conservatives but there were 7000+ UKIP votes in 2015.
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
Not forgetting the dour unoriginal insults regularly seen from left field, regardless of rare invitations to fisticuffs.
The thing about PH is that, unlike many alternative non-motoring media, the mods are looking at posting rules rather than ideology. This can at times give an impression there is more leeway given to 'tolerrant forms of expression' from the Left for the sake of some well-meaning aim for 'balance' gicen there are some posts that are trolling by any other name but remain on threads anyway. Not everyone will appreciate this but it's not our ball and the rules are enforced how mods see fit.
So basically, more insulting angry right wingers get banned and posts removed than left wingers because the mods, despite not being ideologically motivated, do it due to a well meaning attempt to balance the threads? The thing about PH is that, unlike many alternative non-motoring media, the mods are looking at posting rules rather than ideology. This can at times give an impression there is more leeway given to 'tolerrant forms of expression'
from the Left for the sake of some well-meaning aim for 'balance' gicen there are some posts that are trolling by any other name but remain on threads anyway. Not everyone will appreciate this but it's not our ball and the rules are enforced how mods see fit.Do mods keep track of the politics of banned PHers?! If so you'd need to take into account that there are fewer left-fielders here. That gets a sympathy vote at times; not a problem. Defending the failure of left-liberalism over decades requires humour.
El stovey said:
Turbobloke, if you were a leftie...
Not more fantasy!Feel free to have the last word
confused_buyer said:
I think UKIP will get less than that and I suspect a big chunk of their vote will go directly to the Conservatives. This will put a big damper on the LibDems in many of their target seats as there are large UKIP votes in a lot of them looking for a home.
My thoughts exactly, they got somewhere in the region of 4 million votes last time out, my money is on them getting around a quarter of that.confused_buyer said:
turbobloke said:
Nor do I, and it's the perception of a one-trick-pony that keeps UKIP from making further inroads, copying that fail will lead to...the same thing. Both Parties at around 10%-12% in June wouldn't surprise me.
I think UKIP will get less than that and I suspect a big chunk of their vote will go directly to the Conservatives. This will put a big damper on the LibDems in many of their target seats as there are large UKIP votes in a lot of them looking for a home.I wouldn't be surprised if the LibDems pick up some seats in London (Vince Cable stands a good chance IMO) but I think they'll lose Richmond and might struggle to hold seats in places like Southport where they have a 1300 majority over the Conservatives but there were 7000+ UKIP votes in 2015.
confused_buyer said:
Goldsmith has a good chance of taking Richmond. The LibDems will not be able to chuck their entire national resources into one seat as they will be needed elsewhere and Goldsmith will have the backing of the Conservative party machine this time.
Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
I certainly hope so. I remember her hopeless interview the day after the election where she was so flustered she had to go off to her "safe place" and handed her phone to an unnamed minder. Has she even made her maiden speech yet?Olney has a majority of 1800 which isn't a big buffer.
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