Snap General Election?
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El stovey said:
mx-6 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Or Conservative supporters are just sensible middle of the road people and are not right wingers?
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that all Conservative voters are "right wing", I usually vote that way. I'm saying that those that have views that are what we could surely all agree are to the political right seem to be satisfied with the Conservative at present.Labours lurch to the left has left her with a big area to get voters from. I expect many middle ground floating and former labour voters, people who voted for Blair perhaps will like the sound of May.
I'm not convinced people on the more right end of the conservatives will support her long term, but in the short term, Brexit will no doubt make May more popular with more right wing voters as she has to make Britain more conservative with tax cuts and perhaps less regulation.
turbobloke said:
The austerity isn't really that austere, and who's been hit by it isn't a single answer question as it varies from time to time. Also, as always, an objective definition of fair is notable by its absence. In practice it appears to relate to policy where "other people" take the hit.
Spending as a share of national income has fallen though not much as shown above, and we've got deficit and debt issues to tackle - EU style can kicking doesn't do much except put more dents in the can while delaying the inevitable with the disctinct possibility of creating a worse future for our children and grandchildren.
If there are groups of people who in the real world, as opposed to a socialist dreamworld, provide the hard cash that takes care of those less well-off, it doesn't make sense to punish them. The opposite makes sense but it's a bitter pill for subjective fairness merchants to swallow.
I agree with the point about austerity. I'd rather it wasn't necessary but I think the Conservative's have made a good job of managing the situation by making cuts to some budgets but not absolutely slashing things back, and doing it fairly gradually.Spending as a share of national income has fallen though not much as shown above, and we've got deficit and debt issues to tackle - EU style can kicking doesn't do much except put more dents in the can while delaying the inevitable with the disctinct possibility of creating a worse future for our children and grandchildren.
If there are groups of people who in the real world, as opposed to a socialist dreamworld, provide the hard cash that takes care of those less well-off, it doesn't make sense to punish them. The opposite makes sense but it's a bitter pill for subjective fairness merchants to swallow.
The EU were seen as imposing too much austerity on some nations with debt issues. If government spending is cut excessively then it's obviously going to be the opposite to a stimulus, growth will go negative, otherwise viable businesses will go bust and it will be self defeating. I guess I'm advocating the keynesian approach, which seems to be the pretty much widely accepted paradigm now.
turbobloke said:
Yet there seems to be a perception that May is to the Right of Cameron; if so that would make her more popular with (at least) centre-Right tories as opposed to those bridging the notional Left-Right political divide who may have found Cameron and Blu-Labour more palatable as it was more Blairite.
I think she's actually both right and left of Cameron in her appeal. It's just wider than Cameron's at the moment. Right - with possible Brexit tax cuts and deregulation.
Left - with public school tax status, sharing society, bridging London vs rest of the country's wealth gap.
As labour disappear up their own backsides into a thought or feeling or inside us socialist dogma. May is getting on with Brexit and running the country and looking like a leader widening her appeal and scooping up support all over the place,
bmw535i said:
El stovey said:
There's not plenty of room for healthy debate in here,.left wing posters regularly get shouted down and insulted all the time. People clearly don't welcome their point of view at all.
You only think they're obsessed because you notice them, their posts stand out as being against the flow.
There are many more tenacious right wing posters that always have to have the last word. That's not obsession though as they're possibly confirming your own views and biases.
I think you'll find its left wing posters who throw the most insults around. You only think they're obsessed because you notice them, their posts stand out as being against the flow.
There are many more tenacious right wing posters that always have to have the last word. That's not obsession though as they're possibly confirming your own views and biases.
The Brexit threads seem to bring out the worst in them. I had one northern builder offering me to drive to Yorkshire to fight him!
El stovey said:
mx-6 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Or Conservative supporters are just sensible middle of the road people and are not right wingers?
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that all Conservative voters are "right wing", I usually vote that way. I'm saying that those that have views that are what we could surely all agree are to the political right seem to be satisfied with the Conservative at present.Labours lurch to the left has left her with a big area to get voters from. I expect many middle ground floating and former labour voters, people who voted for Blair perhaps will like the sound of May.
I'm not convinced people on the more right end of the conservatives will support her long term, but in the short term, Brexit will no doubt make May more popular with more right wing voters as she has to make Britain more competitive with corporate tax cuts and perhaps less regulation.
I expect more right wing voters will like her positive stance on meeting with Trump early on perhaps rekindling the warm glow they got from seeing Thatcher and Reagan. I wonder if they squint a little and imagine they have Maggie back at the helm.
Brexit will dominate in the coming years and I expect it will move things in a politically right direction as you say. The enevitable economic fallout will put paid to any socially progressive spending policies. This is why she is making hay while the sun shines and doing the election now, politically expedient.
turbobloke said:
The austerity isn't really that austere, and who's been hit by it isn't a single answer question as it varies from time to time. Also, as always, an objective definition of fair is notable by its absence. In practice it appears to relate to policy where "other people" take the hit.
Spending as a share of national income has fallen though not much as shown above, and we've got deficit and debt issues to tackle - EU style can kicking doesn't do much except put more dents in the can while delaying the inevitable with the disctinct possibility of creating a worse future for our children and grandchildren.
If there are groups of people who in the real world, as opposed to a socialist dreamworld, provide the hard cash that takes care of those less well-off, it doesn't make sense to punish them. The opposite makes sense but it's a bitter pill for subjective fairness merchants to swallow.
This can't surely be aimed at me from you picking out a few words (not even a complete sentence) from a much longer post?Spending as a share of national income has fallen though not much as shown above, and we've got deficit and debt issues to tackle - EU style can kicking doesn't do much except put more dents in the can while delaying the inevitable with the disctinct possibility of creating a worse future for our children and grandchildren.
If there are groups of people who in the real world, as opposed to a socialist dreamworld, provide the hard cash that takes care of those less well-off, it doesn't make sense to punish them. The opposite makes sense but it's a bitter pill for subjective fairness merchants to swallow.
p1stonhead said:
Interesting that Boris Johnson said today that he stands by the £350m a week (often disputed) figure on the side of that bus that we can use for things like the NHS.
I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
I see he's been saying all sorts today, they should keep him locked in a cupboard until 9th June.I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
mx-6 said:
p1stonhead said:
Interesting that Boris Johnson said today that he stands by the £350m a week (often disputed) figure on the side of that bus that we can use for things like the NHS.
I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
I see he's been saying all sorts today, they should keep him locked in a cupboard until 9th June.I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
turbobloke said:
The austerity isn't really that austere, and who's been hit by it isn't a single answer question as it varies from time to time. Also, as always, an objective definition of fair is notable by its absence. In practice it appears to relate to policy where "other people" take the hit.
Spending as a share of national income has fallen though not much as shown above, and we've got deficit and debt issues to tackle - EU style can kicking doesn't do much except put more dents in the can while delaying the inevitable with the disctinct possibility of creating a worse future for our children and grandchildren.
If there are groups of people who in the real world, as opposed to a socialist dreamworld, provide the hard cash that takes care of those less well-off, it doesn't make sense to punish them. The opposite makes sense but it's a bitter pill for subjective fairness merchants to swallow.
Oh and while we are at it HANDS OF OUR NHS DON'T BOMB SYRIA NOT IN MY NAME NO NUKES NUCLEAR POWER NEIN DANKE THATCHER OUT KEN FOR MAYOR NO TO THE SOCIAL CONTRACT PROSECUTE WAR CRIMINAL BLAIR BOYCOTT SOUTH AFRICA VOTE NYE BEVAN <head explodes>
p1stonhead said:
Interesting that Boris Johnson said today that he stands by the £350m a week (often disputed) figure on the side of that bus that we can use for things like the NHS.
I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
I thought everyone knew it was actually £376mI was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
mx-6 said:
p1stonhead said:
Interesting that Boris Johnson said today that he stands by the £350m a week (often disputed) figure on the side of that bus that we can use for things like the NHS.
I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
I see he's been saying all sorts today, they should keep him locked in a cupboard until 9th June.I was under the impression this figure was simply made up.
She had to resort to quoting Farage admitting it was a mistake to get Boris to shut up and even then he was grumbling - which is actually all he did really - like a little wind-up grumbling toy.
Funkycoldribena said:
I'm like the old lady from Bristol, I just can't be doing with voting any more.Had enough.
I know at least a few people who feel the same, my girlfriend is feed up with hearing about politics and in particular, Brexit. Hence why I have to come on here to spout off at you guys.
Silverbullet767 said:
Can't moan about a thing if you don't vote though.
I'll always vote, even if there's one every bloody week!
^ WHSI'll always vote, even if there's one every bloody week!
It's what I say to Mrs BC - you can't comment on the outcome if you didn't participate in the process - don't like what's happening in politics your opportunity to influence the result is in your vote.....
mx-6 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
I'm like the old lady from Bristol, I just can't be doing with voting any more.Had enough.
I know at least a few people who feel the same, my girlfriend is feed up with hearing about politics and in particular, Brexit. Hence why I have to come on here to spout off at you guys.
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