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Did anyone else receive the Theresa May party election letter recently? I thought it striking that there wan't a single reference to The Conservative Party on it, the election strategy seems quite clear - I'll do the brexit better than Corbyn. Is this just campaigning or will May see this as a mandate for increased autocracy if/when elected?
MaxSo said:
I suspect that will probably be the overall change; however, I can also foresee reasons why the change may be small, or possibly even something different:
1. I can see UKIP's decline potentially being reduced, due to a perceived harder line response on terrorism, immigration etc. This would, I presume, negatively impact the Tories.
2. On the other side, I can see potential for some new voters being drawn to Labour as they may be perceived to be offering a different kind of response and overall strategy to that which has been seen before. Is probably going to a be a small number, but some might think, in the light of this week, that a different kind of foreign policy may be the way forward.
3. I can see there being quite a strong focus on perceived weaknesses of the Tories in terms of policing cuts.
I think an awful lot will depend (obviously) on how the current events unfold, whether there are further attacks prior to Election Day, and the tone which the election takes from hereon in.
1 / I think UKIP are dead in the water.1. I can see UKIP's decline potentially being reduced, due to a perceived harder line response on terrorism, immigration etc. This would, I presume, negatively impact the Tories.
2. On the other side, I can see potential for some new voters being drawn to Labour as they may be perceived to be offering a different kind of response and overall strategy to that which has been seen before. Is probably going to a be a small number, but some might think, in the light of this week, that a different kind of foreign policy may be the way forward.
3. I can see there being quite a strong focus on perceived weaknesses of the Tories in terms of policing cuts.
I think an awful lot will depend (obviously) on how the current events unfold, whether there are further attacks prior to Election Day, and the tone which the election takes from hereon in.
2 / Possibly; I think that Labour brand are still tarred with the Iraq war, and the current leadership with prior their terrorist "support" - no win for "new labour" or "old labour"
3 / I take your points, but I other than a bit of grandstanding by the Police Federation with 24 hours of the atrocity, I don't personally see how even a doubling of the police force would have stopped this. The money should be into intelligence, not on the ground police.
MaxSo said:
3. I can see there being quite a strong focus on perceived weaknesses of the Tories in terms of policing cuts.
I've spotted a couple of post on this on Social media. I think it's a red herring as the plan is always to support the police as require with military. The army have the weapons training already so a useful resource for such a threat.The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Go back up before my post, there were posts and comments regrading these idiots out there posting on social media views along the lines of (and had even almost accused) the Conservatives of being behind the Manchester bombing; very left wing is how I see their pov. I was stating a view in regard to these morons on social media who were sprouting what I think most of us 'normal' people would call false and completely from cloud cuckoo-land. My comment was therefore based on the premise that the left have a lot to answer for, in my view, more so than those of other political persuasions. As sidicks has said I was speaking about the left, that is the context of my comment.
That's why I made it.
I misunderstood your original response (as pointed out by sidicks) and everything snowballed from there!That's why I made it.
Your point is understood. Apologies if my misunderstanding of your response caused you any offence.
Bullett said:
I've spotted a couple of post on this on Social media. I think it's a red herring as the plan is always to support the police as require with military. The army have the weapons training already so a useful resource for such a threat.
The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
One of the clips I've seen is a community officer, back in 2015, warning/advising Theresa May that the cuts were hindering effective community policing, which they say is where intelligence can be drawn from.The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
mx-6 said:
Did anyone else receive the Theresa May party election letter recently? I thought it striking that there wan't a single reference to The Conservative Party on it, the election strategy seems quite clear - I'll do the brexit better than Corbyn. Is this just campaigning or will May see this as a mandate for increased autocracy if/when elected?
I suspect the whole "May" thing rather than Conservative party is that if Brexit does go badly then the strategy would be to try and blame May, and so have the negative associations with her rather than the Conservative party as a whole. Alternatively it might also be due to them feeling a fight between May/Corbyn will give them a stronger lead rather than Conservative/Labour. MaxSo said:
Bullett said:
I've spotted a couple of post on this on Social media. I think it's a red herring as the plan is always to support the police as require with military. The army have the weapons training already so a useful resource for such a threat.
The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
One of the clips I've seen is a community officer, back in 2015, warning/advising Theresa May that the cuts were hindering effective community policing, which they say is where intelligence can be drawn from.The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
Would that be the Manchester Met Police confederation meeting, where May responded by aiming accusations of 'crying Wolf' and 'scaremongering'?
NRS said:
I suspect the whole "May" thing rather than Conservative party is that if Brexit does go badly then the strategy would be to try and blame May, and so have the negative associations with her rather than the Conservative party as a whole. Alternatively it might also be due to them feeling a fight between May/Corbyn will give them a stronger lead rather than Conservative/Labour.
I think it may also be a tactical strategy for areas that traditionally hate the Tories.MaxSo said:
Heap big b
ks on those figures - dropping immigration from 270,000 to 100,000 would reduce the tax take by 15Bn? That's valuing the *tax* from each immigrant at £88,235. It would damage the economy by £115bn? That's suggesting each immigrant is 'worth' £676,000. Very impressive figures!
Is it me, or is the Independent the primary source of anti-Brexit news these days? What happened to the Guardian?
gooner1 said:
MaxSo said:
Bullett said:
I've spotted a couple of post on this on Social media. I think it's a red herring as the plan is always to support the police as require with military. The army have the weapons training already so a useful resource for such a threat.
The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
One of the clips I've seen is a community officer, back in 2015, warning/advising Theresa May that the cuts were hindering effective community policing, which they say is where intelligence can be drawn from.The fact that it really is an illusion of safety in neither here nor there.
I think the tories would need to be very careful and avoid attacking labour over the terrorist sympathiser thing. Although true it could be spun as making political capital from Monday's attack.
Would that be the Manchester Met Police confederation meeting, where May responded by aiming accusations of 'crying Wolf' and 'scaremongering'?
https://twitter.com/david_conn
MaxSo said:
Lots of estimates and thoughts, but when the basis of their argument is that immigration automatically increases productivity, when the exact opposite is shown in the real data, then they're on a shaky wicket...
MaxSo said:
They make their money from the corporate sector including areas such as Tourism and Retail who don't want to lose their cheap labour so take with a pinch of salt.To balance todays immigration news I present to you another study by Dr Chris Dawson at University of Bath that says that after 2 years migrants 'lose their work ethic' and are no longer any more hard working then their Brit peers... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539962/Pr...
It is all a fuss over nothing, identify areas of genuine need and bring in migrants until we can address it ourselves- its that simple. Stealing nurses/doctors from the 3rd world whilst we cut funding/arbitrarily restrict student places is off course going to show as a benefit to GDP, same as bringing in min wage Sports Direct slaves.
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 25th May 11:40
hyphen said:
They make their money from the corporate sector including areas such as Tourism and Retail who don't want to lose their cheap labour so take with a pinch of salt.
To balance todays immigration news I present to you another study by Dr Chris Dawson at University of Bath that says that after 2 years migrants 'lose their work ethic' and are no longer any more hard working then their Brit peers... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539962/Pr...
My immediate thought - surely that reflects badly on "us", not "them"...To balance todays immigration news I present to you another study by Dr Chris Dawson at University of Bath that says that after 2 years migrants 'lose their work ethic' and are no longer any more hard working then their Brit peers... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539962/Pr...
"We clearly see in the research that migrants new to the UK put in a couple of years of hard work, before a better understanding of our culture and job market means they adopt the same work ethic as native workers."
LOL
Edited by MaxSo on Thursday 25th May 11:42
Greg66 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Is it my imagination or has Dianne rAbbott been conspicuous by her absence over the last week and a half?
Nope. If anything it has been May (and only May) vs McDonnell. andy43 said:
Greg66 said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Is it my imagination or has Dianne rAbbott been conspicuous by her absence over the last week and a half?
Nope. If anything it has been May (and only May) vs McDonnell. 
Edited by MaxSo on Thursday 25th May 12:00
MaxSo said:
Yep - terrorist incidents like this never happened when the police were flush with cash under a Labour government..........wait a minute 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
MaxSo said:
I think that regardless of what the exact figure is, it stands to reason that if you allow the population to increase via immigration, you will inevitably end up with more workers/consumers and increased economic activity, it's been easy growth for successive governments.It'll be interesting to see what happens to the economy now that EU nationals are leaving these shores.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immi...
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