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mx-6 said:
I think that regardless of what the exact figure is, it stands to reason that if you allow the population to increase via immigration, you will inevitably end up with more workers/consumers and increased economic activity, it's been easy growth for successive governments.
Surely that depends on a number of factors including:1. Whether they are simply replacing existing workers
2. The increase in economic activity versus the costs
3. The wider impact on society / resources etc
mx-6 said:
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the economy now that EU nationals are leaving these shores.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immi...
'Immigration figures down' does not mean net migration out of the UK, it simply means reduced immigration. Net EU immigration is still positive!http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immi...
Moonhawk said:
Yep - terrorist incidents like this never happened when the police were flush with cash under a Labour government..........wait a minute 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
Did you also watch the video via twitter in the link (copied below) ? I suppose you know better though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/867657481526...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/award-winning...
Inspector Damian O’Reilly told May:
"I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years. I felt passionate about what I was doing.
In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally ...
We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security."
Inspector Damian O’Reilly told May:
"I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years. I felt passionate about what I was doing.
In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally ...
We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security."
Edited by MaxSo on Thursday 25th May 13:20
Breaking the polls down by social class is rather interesting.
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/05...
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/05...
MaxSo said:
Moonhawk said:
Yep - terrorist incidents like this never happened when the police were flush with cash under a Labour government..........wait a minute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
Did you also watch the video via twitter in the link (copied below) ? I suppose you know better though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/867657481526...
MaxSo said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/award-winning...
Inspector Damian O’Reilly told May:
"I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years. I felt passionate about what I was doing.
In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally ...
We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security."
Except in this case the intelligence hadn't dried up, it wasn't the job of community policing to deal with the intelligence and any mug can predict there will be another national security issue in the future.Inspector Damian O’Reilly told May:
"I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years. I felt passionate about what I was doing.
In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally ...
We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security."
Edited by MaxSo on Thursday 25th May 13:20
768 said:
Except in this case the intelligence hadn't dried up, it wasn't the job of community policing to deal with the intelligence and any mug can predict there will be another national security issue in the future.
No the intelligence hasn't dried up, but it might as well have if it isn't going to acted upon.And yes I do realise how difficult a task our guardians face.
BigMon said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Go back up before my post, there were posts and comments regrading these idiots out there posting on social media views along the lines of (and had even almost accused) the Conservatives of being behind the Manchester bombing; very left wing is how I see their pov. I was stating a view in regard to these morons on social media who were sprouting what I think most of us 'normal' people would call false and completely from cloud cuckoo-land. My comment was therefore based on the premise that the left have a lot to answer for, in my view, more so than those of other political persuasions. As sidicks has said I was speaking about the left, that is the context of my comment.
That's why I made it.
I misunderstood your original response (as pointed out by sidicks) and everything snowballed from there!That's why I made it.
Your point is understood. Apologies if my misunderstanding of your response caused you any offence.
No offence taken, I've got thick skin and a thick head too
MaxSo said:
We already have Google, we don't need you to act as a bot simply to provide links to your cherry-picked sources...Moonhawk said:
Yep - terrorist incidents like this never happened when the police were flush with cash under a Labour government..........wait a minute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
Except we didn't have to deploy the troops in the aftermath of that attack.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_b...
Since TM became Home Secretary 1100 or so firearms officers have been cut. Yesterday we had deploy 900 troops to make up the shortfall. Personally I don't think it's a coincidence these numbers are so close.
NRS said:
..... Alternatively it might also be due to them feeling a fight between May/Corbyn will give them a stronger lead rather than Conservative/Labour.
This. It can be a high risk strategy (as Crosby well knows from some of his earlier career failures running Fed elections back down under); if you make it too "presidential" (i.e.: focussed on the individual party leader) it can backfire, as happened with (in Australia) Hewson vs Keating and Kennet when he lost the Vic election (unexpectedly, having previously thumped Labor almost into oblivion).In this election the party heads are fair game, Corbyn is so weak the strategy is likely to be effective - gather up the swing voters / wavering voters and give them one good, strong reason to not vote Labour or lodge any sort of "protect vote" for lesser parties.
robemcdonald said:
Except we didn't have to deploy the troops in the aftermath of that attack.
Since TM became Home Secretary 1100 or so firearms officers have been cut. Yesterday we had deploy 900 troops to make up the shortfall. Personally I don't think it's a coincidence these numbers are so close.
If only Labour hadn't spent all the money, eh?Since TM became Home Secretary 1100 or so firearms officers have been cut. Yesterday we had deploy 900 troops to make up the shortfall. Personally I don't think it's a coincidence these numbers are so close.
If only the cost of police officers wasn't so high due to the large cost of their pensions, eh?
sidicks said:
If only Labour hadn't spent all the money, eh?
If only the cost of police officers wasn't so high due to the large cost of their pensions, eh?
Sidicks you are normally a very pernickety poster who demands accuracy from other posters.If only the cost of police officers wasn't so high due to the large cost of their pensions, eh?
Your post here is just hyperbole designed to reflect your support for the Tories. That's fine by me but please stop picking up every last pedantic point in other posts.
There's a good chap.
MaxSo said:
Did you also watch the video via twitter in the link (copied below) ? I suppose you know better though.
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/867657481526...
How does that negate the point I made.https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/867657481526...
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