Snap General Election?
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
mx-6 said:
Moonhawk said:
People have been abusing our public services for years. If people want effective, efficient public services at a reasonable cost - they have got to stop abusing these services and wasting their time.
That's true. Take the NHS, much of the budget goes on treating conditions that are at the very least partly down to lifestyle. For example the NHS spends a significant proportion of it's budget, about £12 billion a year, treating type 2 diabetes alone, and unfortunately it's often the people who contribute least to the system that are the biggest users. If everyone looked after themselves properly the cost to society would be so greatly reduced...Likes Fast Cars said:
It's about effective policing and best use of the money available AND having a system that doesn't protect the guilty more than it protects the innocent.
Come 9 June hopefully May & co can get on with it and put the necessary legislation in place to support the police and security services to do their jobs effectively without pandering to the whinging lefties and SJWs who consider the "rights" of the guilty more important than those of the victims. That would be a constructive step forward.
Give away your freedoms if you like. You won't get them back. The PM's utter disregard for civil liberties has nothing to do with 'lefties' or Social Justice Warriors. Nothing at all. I'm a staunch Tory, and she scares the sCome 9 June hopefully May & co can get on with it and put the necessary legislation in place to support the police and security services to do their jobs effectively without pandering to the whinging lefties and SJWs who consider the "rights" of the guilty more important than those of the victims. That would be a constructive step forward.
t out of me. Moonhawk said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
It's about effective policing and best use of the money available......
Exactly this - and you know what, it's not just down to the police and/or politicians to make this happen - we all have a responsibility in this.Every selfish t
t who goes out on a Saturday night, gets pissed up and kicks off, and ends up in a cell or in A&E - is part of the problem. People have been abusing our public services for years. If people want effective, efficient public services at a reasonable cost - they have got to stop abusing these services and wasting their time.
The great unwashed are the reason our public services are in the state they are.....f
king grow up.p1stonhead said:
That last section 
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
W124 said:
Give away your freedoms if you like. You won't get them back. The PM's utter disregard for civil liberties has nothing to do with 'lefties' or Social Justice Warriors. Nothing at all. I'm a staunch Tory, and she scares the st out of me.
Agreed. She was downright scary as Home Secretary, and she's downright scary now. The reports in the Sun that ministers plan to push through encryption backdoors after the election are fairly typical of the combination of technological ignorance and wilful disregard for privacy that she encourages.t out of me. Let's be clear that there is a difference between meaningful changes that will improve public safety and grand gesture projects that cost far more than ever estimated, inconvenience everybody and fail to deliver any serious results. I've not seen any evidence that the sort of changes that are proposed would have prevented a single one of the terrorist acts we've seen over the last decade or two. Given hindsight is 20/20, that's pretty damning.
That doesn't mean I've seen better politics from the other parties on this matter, but May's tendencies in this particular area have been a cause for concern for a long time.
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
Tuna said:
Agreed. She was downright scary as Home Secretary, and she's downright scary now. The reports in the Sun that ministers plan to push through encryption backdoors after the election are fairly typical of the combination of technological ignorance and wilful disregard for privacy that she encourages.
Let's be clear that there is a difference between meaningful changes that will improve public safety and grand gesture projects that cost far more than ever estimated, inconvenience everybody and fail to deliver any serious results. I've not seen any evidence that the sort of changes that are proposed would have prevented a single one of the terrorist acts we've seen over the last decade or two. Given hindsight is 20/20, that's pretty damning.
That doesn't mean I've seen better politics from the other parties on this matter, but May's tendencies in this particular area have been a cause for concern for a long time.
It certainly seems from previous events that the overwhelming problem with intelligence is not data gathering, it's data processing and resources to act on the result of the processing; pretty much without exception the miscreants behind recent events were known to the secret squirrels in some capacity but because of prioritisation they had been NFA'd as not interesting enough. Being able to gather more data is not going to help, it will hinder as processing appears to be the bottleneck.Let's be clear that there is a difference between meaningful changes that will improve public safety and grand gesture projects that cost far more than ever estimated, inconvenience everybody and fail to deliver any serious results. I've not seen any evidence that the sort of changes that are proposed would have prevented a single one of the terrorist acts we've seen over the last decade or two. Given hindsight is 20/20, that's pretty damning.
That doesn't mean I've seen better politics from the other parties on this matter, but May's tendencies in this particular area have been a cause for concern for a long time.
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
t in space for any purpose other than using it immediately for building st in space needs to give their head a wobble; getting stuff into space and moving it around space is mindbogglingly expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Molten salt reactors on the other hand are actual fact, they've been built and run for long periods and will hopefully be a meaningful part of our energy mix within my lifetime.hidetheelephants said:
Tuna said:
Agreed. She was downright scary as Home Secretary, and she's downright scary now. The reports in the Sun that ministers plan to push through encryption backdoors after the election are fairly typical of the combination of technological ignorance and wilful disregard for privacy that she encourages.
Let's be clear that there is a difference between meaningful changes that will improve public safety and grand gesture projects that cost far more than ever estimated, inconvenience everybody and fail to deliver any serious results. I've not seen any evidence that the sort of changes that are proposed would have prevented a single one of the terrorist acts we've seen over the last decade or two. Given hindsight is 20/20, that's pretty damning.
That doesn't mean I've seen better politics from the other parties on this matter, but May's tendencies in this particular area have been a cause for concern for a long time.
It certainly seems from previous events that the overwhelming problem with intelligence is not data gathering, it's data processing and resources to act on the result of the processing; pretty much without exception the miscreants behind recent events were known to the secret squirrels in some capacity but because of prioritisation they had been NFA'd as not interesting enough. Being able to gather more data is not going to help, it will hinder as processing appears to be the bottleneck.Let's be clear that there is a difference between meaningful changes that will improve public safety and grand gesture projects that cost far more than ever estimated, inconvenience everybody and fail to deliver any serious results. I've not seen any evidence that the sort of changes that are proposed would have prevented a single one of the terrorist acts we've seen over the last decade or two. Given hindsight is 20/20, that's pretty damning.
That doesn't mean I've seen better politics from the other parties on this matter, but May's tendencies in this particular area have been a cause for concern for a long time.
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
t in space for any purpose other than using it immediately for building st in space needs to give their head a wobble; getting stuff into space and moving it around space is mindbogglingly expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Molten salt reactors on the other hand are actual fact, they've been built and run for long periods and will hopefully be a meaningful part of our energy mix within my lifetime.hidetheelephants said:
Anyone mithering about mining st in space for any purpose other than using it immediately for building st in space needs to give their head a wobble; getting stuff into space and moving it around space is mindbogglingly expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Molten salt reactors on the other hand are actual fact, they've been built and run for long periods and will hopefully be a meaningful part of our energy mix within my lifetime.
Well that's it then.not going to vote UKIP now...what party has molten salt reactors in their manifesto so I can vote for them instead?t in space for any purpose other than using it immediately for building st in space needs to give their head a wobble; getting stuff into space and moving it around space is mindbogglingly expensive and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Molten salt reactors on the other hand are actual fact, they've been built and run for long periods and will hopefully be a meaningful part of our energy mix within my lifetime.I would also take an interest in a party which invested a bit more with these guys;
https://www.reactionengines.co.uk/aboutus/
https://www.reactionengines.co.uk/aboutus/
Genuine Question
Is this election campaign pretty much finished now because of events ?
I suspect it pretty much is
I ask because I am currently over in Poulton (near Blackpool)
I went into the town today to see whats new and along the way wandered through a district called Layton where I lived some years ago. Passing the Temporary Labour Office (It used to be a cheque cashing and payday loan shop - don't laugh at the irony) I spotted a solitary young lady sat at the desk. I popped in to find out about the candidate who to my surprise was a local lad a genuine local lad from that area schooled and worked there
She said that they just didn't know what to do they weren't door knocking and about all they had lined up to do for the week was to stuff envelopes.
It was pretty clear they had no inclination to restart the campaign there. From what I understand that constituency would be a significant win for Labour
the current Tory has a majority of I think 3300 and the UKIP vote was some near 6000. Obviously if the UKIP vote goes Tory there shafted if it goes Labour there home and dry.She also said there was fear factor about campaigning and the other local constituency MP Cat Smith (Labour) was very wary of going out and about. I know who is a lower cabinet minister but I was pretty gobsmacked at the honesty said to me
She was such a nice open girl I bought here can of coke as a thank you.
I could go back tomorrow and ask them what the rate is on a Labour pledge is it better than Wonga etc
Is this election campaign pretty much finished now because of events ?
I suspect it pretty much is
I ask because I am currently over in Poulton (near Blackpool)
I went into the town today to see whats new and along the way wandered through a district called Layton where I lived some years ago. Passing the Temporary Labour Office (It used to be a cheque cashing and payday loan shop - don't laugh at the irony) I spotted a solitary young lady sat at the desk. I popped in to find out about the candidate who to my surprise was a local lad a genuine local lad from that area schooled and worked there
She said that they just didn't know what to do they weren't door knocking and about all they had lined up to do for the week was to stuff envelopes.
It was pretty clear they had no inclination to restart the campaign there. From what I understand that constituency would be a significant win for Labour
the current Tory has a majority of I think 3300 and the UKIP vote was some near 6000. Obviously if the UKIP vote goes Tory there shafted if it goes Labour there home and dry.She also said there was fear factor about campaigning and the other local constituency MP Cat Smith (Labour) was very wary of going out and about. I know who is a lower cabinet minister but I was pretty gobsmacked at the honesty said to me
She was such a nice open girl I bought here can of coke as a thank you.
I could go back tomorrow and ask them what the rate is on a Labour pledge is it better than Wonga etc
p1stonhead said:
s2art said:
p1stonhead said:
That last section
Dont scoff too soon.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/space-mini...
He's advocating an "Interstellar colony ship" for around the price of a mass produced Airbus A320.
Why isn't anyone else doing this?
The archetypal UKIP fruitloop.
FN2TypeR said:
That is surely a hoax
Surely?
It must be. Some seem to be defending it.........Surely?
Mind, that would mean the mirror have fallen for it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-candida...
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